Victoria

From what I have read and understood, Jesus was not born on Dec 25th. Why is this day celebrated as his birthday throughout the world? I'm still trying to research the reasons behind it, but I'm hoping someone here can help me on this question.

A lot of people will tell you that it piggy-backed on a pagan festival, already in place.

In the "mockumentary" Zeitgeist, his birthday is one of the underlying points to undermine Christianity. It suggested that Jesus didn't exist, and he was merely the continuation of the Egyptian God, Horus. Zeitgeist says that's because both were born on 25th December.

Needless-to-say, there is nothing in Scriptures which specifically says the month and day Jesus was born. I need not tell you that no where is it written when Horus was born, so it is a logical fallacy to connote the two.

To answer your question, here is an interesting timeline I found of when he could've been born:

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/sukkoth.htm

September-October? Eww. Santa will look a right pillock wearing a cardigan.

@Demon:

"Why doesn't the Church now celebrate his original birth date instead? (if they know it that is)"

Because no one knows for certain when it was. Just like we cannot know for certain if 72 black-eyed virgins will be awaiting certain men in Heaven, if they be Martyrs. Religion is about faith, and tradition, not about certainty and denigration.

Having said that, I'm glad the Holy Roman Catholic Church, of which I am an adept, kicked St. Christopher off their saint rolls. He got on my nerves.

Handsome bugger, too.

Panerai: I have only seen one of these. The young gentleman wearing it had the "downs syndrome" I'm pretty sure. At least he looked, sounded, and smelled like it.

Your original version was better! I remember our beloved Ryyannon included it into his .sig. Classic!

Lately, I've been observing men who wear Breitling. And Breits just give off a very macho air.

I recall someone saying on RWI, that they went into an NHL meeting, and it was wall-to-wall Breitling. I can believe it!

@Prince: Hmm?

Ah, this isn't showing up!

"Vic .. not really into checking out other guys wrists for watches ... but am secure enough to strike a conversation if it is a very unique watch that i have not seen before .. or if it is a watch brand / model that i may have interest

For eample ... Dave123 with his hublot and BCE bling ... would spark some curiosity from me"

Because he gives off a very macho air, but those are rather flamboyant watches? It would intrigue me too.

Don't expect any kudos here...

I'm afraid I agree 100%.

One of the first things one is taught when writing a dissertation or thesis (as it was in my case), is not to show your hand to your subject too soon. You'll soon see them clam up, and a vital source of information will be withdrawn to you.

-- Mine in part, was on Nazi Cinema...so you can imagine --

That is simply impossible in a forum whose purpose is to talk, but Phdguy, you shouldn't have delurked publicly. Instead, you should've approached a Mod, told them of your intentions, and asked privately if one or two members would like to speak to you.

No matter if we all know, in the back of our minds, that we are being observed by many "types" of people, no one likes being under a microscope.

EDIT: Just re-read the post. You were another "user"? Oh dear. That contravenes forum rules, at that.

And to think, if you had asked me nicely, I would've told you all about camel

The forum has thunderclouds today, but let's allow sunlight to peep through. Here's a question for you gentlemen of the forum:

Do you judge a guy's machoness based on the kind of watch you see him wearing?

I know a lot of so-called "fashion watches", like Bvlgaris, Jacob & Co. & even the Rolex Cellini are often winked at by certain guys. The latter are usually wearing tool watches, or Panerai, the bigger the better.

Are you that kind of person, or do you just not care what type of watch is on the other guy's wrist?

I'm sure there must be some stories of two guys wearing the same watch, striking up a conversation in public.

What you mean by that if not that he did the mods for free?

I'm not sure I follow.

I stated that he is doing these things for me as a gesture to me, for free (BTW, I paid for the watch back in August. Don't think the 190/183 themselves were free, just to clarify). And that I'm a difficult position overall, having to rag on his work, since I could see it was not up to snuff. But that I was grateful to you guys for getting my back, and to him for his overall generosity.

Was that clear enough, V?

Until that time, I hadn't opened my email with his explanation. If only I had...

Intentional or unintentional Vic.. when people are comped a product it is human nature to back that product or it's supplier .. if members are being told they are not being charged for certain items ... but asked nicely to post how happy they are .. then that form of manipulation is wrong .. on the sellers end.. not on the buyers side ... I am not by any strectch of the imagination saying that deals have been struck .. but it is possible ... is that why we see all these post raving about TWP.. when his mod work..(whoever is doing it) is terrible ???

Again, I ask Lanikai, calmly, politely, what favourable review for free mods about TWP's work are you talking about?

Because if you're talking specifically about me, there is none. There will be none. No deal, explicit or implicit has been "struck".

A ) I don't have the expertise to review rep watches.

B ) I'm not a fool nor fool-hardy.

The last point is crucial, because to review his watches (something I have never attempted on any forum) would be suicide for me and for him. We had a very long thread about sponsored reviews, and Admin made his point clear. Whatever else I am, I'm an intelligent lady.

The first point is fundamental.

How can I post a review about his work in the same vein as Seadweller4000 did about the Breitling Heritage, full of specs, and technical details? I cannot.

The most I could've attempted was a Pictorial Review, like I did twice about the A. Lange & S

What is going on.. free mods for favourable reviews ..because that's what it bloody seems like is happening..

What favourable review for free mods about TWP's work are you talking about?

My take is he had a few suds, grew a set posted what he thought was good work, sobered up realized how bad it was and deleted the thread lol.

Has to be the only explanation.....

I'm not discounting that what you guys are saying is wrong, Jsmith.

But I am going by the email timeline. I got that BEFORE he posted this, not after.

Hampered I also am, by not having seen the "deleted" posts about his other mod work. It seems to me he was chagrined with the replies about his "real work", and thought this might turn into an avalanche, I'm in a hurry, let me delete them all.

If he just wanted to be sneaky about his job, he would've left the 4 posts which V assures me were okay mod jobs, and deleted/set as private just the bad ones.

But he deleted them ALL, no?

Again, I'm as in the dark as all you are, and all our explanations are conjecture or invective. I can just go with the quick private email. Sorry that I cannot offer more info.

I'll return to the thread after TWP posts.

It likely simply means that it is going through Customs so I would not panic.

I thought Rolecs was in the USA, and I was going to reply, this is entirely normal. But he's in the Kingdom of Belgium.

It is still normal, Rolecs, that your package goes through Customs. Doesn't mean NECESSARILY that they will open it. When you see "Seized By Customs", then start to worry.

But perhaps a Belgium-centric RWGer might comment further.

Good luck!

Here's a picture of a Moon Bus:

Just as likely.

Leonardo Da Vinci's Ornithopter, 1490

B-2 Stealth Spirit, 1989

Imagination and fruition need not be contradictory. It just takes time.

Ok.. and if it was a joke WHY delete the threads when people were starting to comment on the flaws? That shows that he screwed up and trying to cover up things. If it was a joke he could have left the thread and say it was a joke

I'm not sure. If you know you are busy during the day, and cannot "husband" the thread properly with replies, would you let a thread stay there without you there to explain? Because all people will see are those photos. If you delete the photos, same thing will happen.

This is my only guess about what happened.

Please note that this thread remained on RWI. But RWI isn't RWG, where people are much more serious in their manner, with respect.

Plus you haven't seen yesterday the situation on the Panerai area in order to judge better yourself.

He posted 6 watches of supposedly happy customers who said they were perfect!!!

Yes, that is true. That's why I am not as outraged as others, and mind you, that's purportedly MY WATCH there. If there is anyone here that needs to be outraged, it is me.

And I'm not. I'm hopeful.

I do not want to make it personal but it would be the stupidest thing he could ever do

I told him that in no uncertain terms. I also teased him asking if he's a surgeon, because this is just the type of balls-to-the-walls attitude surgeons with Type-A personalities have.

Clinicians are far more mousey.

You are bang on anton, its been discussed here many times. Although I don't see Randy's newest beast on the Ritmo site, I'm pretty sure he wears that brand exclusively.

I was just about to reply saying you had said it was the Ritmo Centurion!

Here is that earlier thread, Flamemax (with pics of Randy J):

http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=402294

I know that's right about Simon. I've seen him wear that ratty old Chopard MM many times. But what's this? Vintage Piaget, I think!

And I tried going to the Ryan Seacrest site for photos. God, what a waste of 5 minutes of my life. He's weird, his site is weirder -- in a Celine Dion kind of way.

Here's the only photo of him wearing a watch, I found:

@TWP

I am far from being a photographer and or a WIS for that matter, but there is one thing I am certain of.

When taking pictures of a watch with a Macro lens, and asking forum members to "scrutinize" the pictures, it would be in your best interest, to be certain that the pictures and the piece being photographed is perfect.

Having dust in the picture, if it is dust, and having some spotty areas where lume is missing ect... does not a modder make.

Just my 2 cents

Ask yourself, not you personally Flamemax , but in general:

WHY would TWP post this particular thread of a watch which so clearly contains smudges, and the like?

As I said on RWI yesterday, if he were emailing photos to a newbie, maybe he could get away with it (if he were that type of person). But in a forum FULL of experts?

It was obviously a joke, because I doubt he is as self-deluded as that.

I just emailed him asking him to come to the thread. I said I am neutral, but I know he will do what he can to clear up this unneeded mess. Since he's a medical practitioner, his time must be compromised, but I'm sure he'll come around by night time.

@V: No, I got you. Agreed.

'It is not only that watch posted.. It was a flood yesterday on the Panerai section of 10 posts about how good his mods are and how happy customers are.

I understand. I cannot comment because I didn't see either this thread on RWG (it had been "removed" by the time I got up) or those other threads.

I can only comment on what I know, and that's what I know. Please read my subsequent reply for a look at the greater picture, since we're so insistent on good eyesight.

I'm sure TWP will handle this in a suitably professional manner

Yes.

In the interests of full disclosure, I have to admit something which TWP doesn't know. A few of you who have asked me for modding opinions, do -- I often tell people very clearly that TWP is overburdened, and that a few people have questioned his work. I have often suggested Vaccum as a viable alternative or just to go to DSN.

I consider him a great guy. And I have seen amazing work from him. But also, I'm not blind nor deluded when I see something wrong.

Perhaps those who have received that advice from me, can attest to it now.

It is my humble hope that he not attempt this kind of post again, because from what I can see, people are ready to circle the wagons. Given the photos, justifiably so, but still.

Joke? Come on Vic, give us and yourself some credit here !!!

I realise what you're saying, but according to the email time, he sent me the email first, and then posted the post (not after the bad reactions).

Tell me how to react, V. 'Cause this is why I am not raising the roof in ire -- after having seen my watch altered really badly.

Until he replies, I have no recourse but to believe him. Sorry.

I totally agree. Even more disturbing is that this post was removed........... I'm glad the Mods put it back.

I really really hope TWP comes and tells you guys what happened. Let me just say, without revealing an email confidence, that it was apparently somewhat of a joke. I know what you're thinking -- "yeah, that mod job was really a joke, Vic".

But I mean, a joke joke. Didn't go down very well, did it...

If TWP is reading this, I humbly suggest no more such jokes in future, at least not about your work. That's your bread and butter, capiche?

Make jokes about Korean ladies who can't say clock instead!

H&P, your narrowed down choices (or rather, your good lady wife's) make suggesting a watch, a titch difficult.

Have a peak at this reply I gave Zaino Detail. It has a lot of links of previous "I need a watch suggestion for a my wife" posts -- I've contributed my thoughts in most.

http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=366898

Lastly, the most obvious choice given the criteria is a Cartier Tank Classique. See if she likes these:

MOVEMENT: Jap Quartz

CASE DIAMETER: 37mm X 28mm

THICKNESS: 8mm

(Wears smaller)

Here I am wearing it:

http://www.trustytime88.com/index.php?main...3f29899eb26442e

And the RG version, which I\'m thinking of getting:

...oops, I've tried for the past 6 minutes, to get on Josh's site to copy the info. It doesn't load.

Here is the link:

http://www.pc-80108.com/cart10032-tank-lou...rtz-p-3150.html

2nd page, with red croc band. Very nice watch.

EDIT: Got it.

I know you said UK-based, but I'm sure Narikaa or PreciousTime can get the exact ones.

Good luck!

WEDNESDAY

Did someone say understated but classy? Andrew's Cartier Panth

To those who have been following my comments on the similar thread, over at RWI:

When I checked my email late in the day, it seems that TWP had sent me an explanatory note about these photos. Without revealing info that I may get wrong (since the thread threatens to be tetchy), he suggests the dial is different from the one pictured here.

I'm sure TWP will reply of his own accord, in due course.

As a person who is getting these mods for free, out of the goodness of his own generosity, I am in a difficult position. But I thank TWP for whatever extra work he did, and to all who replied, who answered forthrightly on my behalf.

Thank you, guys!

You can tell this thread about guns is mostly showing North American physiques (with the exception of By-Tor).

In the UK, it seems the standard of cool will always be this:

And never this:

I love this thread!

This thread is sooo unfair to women.

Speaking of guns, I think I'll start a "Rack" thread instead.

That's easy. "Dude, STFU. I'm on the phone!"

Just for you, Mr. Humbug. Some pics of how the Morph may look like. Parting shots for the night.

MORPH Open Mode

MORPH Open Operating

MORPH Phone Mode

And the dread MORPH Wrist Mode

This might not be around until 2020, and even then, it might cost like a kajillion dollars to own, but DAYUM. Sweet.

I'll take Monday Victoria...hell of a strap combo with that 113! Do you like your popcorn buttered and salted or au naturale? Perhaps sweet as they offer it here in Germany?

Mmm, sweet dark popcorn. Miss it.

And thank you for the compliment!

I really love that Savage strap. He allowed me to name it -- I called it Albion for its chalky characteristics. I first saw it on RWI, when a member called Jiro had one run up for his wife for her 113. The tailhook design was specially done for me, from a similar high-end design Sav had.

Here is my next strap for the DSN 113. Simona's own strap for her 049. Croc, I think.

Now, about that date of ours, Cronsell. Your copy of Das Boot or mine?