RickFlorida

Yes, thank you. Great thread. I study it for my project. If only someone could take precise measurements of each dimension for guidance.

And by thick of case, you mean height of case body is a bit thick if you look at profile view? Checking in case I try to mod my newer Cartel 5513.

No worries mate.

Spelling error might refer to newer Cartel case that says "staileless steel" between lugs. That means this is a fairly new 5513 build. Maybe I'm wrong as the cg's look too thick. So did the older cartel 5513 also have the spelling error? I have one too and still getting parts. The biggest problem is you have to buy a new bezel assembly because the cartel one has correct case neck, but then the bezel and/insert are not to spec so they glue the insert instead of pressure fit. The glued inserts fall off in water. So I love the case, but you spend more money on bezel assembly than the 2813 version of the whole watch!

Surprisingly, I do see some listed at Star Time but for 190. I would greatly appreciate another source if anyone has some?

I'm also surprised there is no inexpensive watch service through Fiverr.com or overseas/outsourcing that I know of. We buy and sell our watches over seas, so what is the cost to service in Singapore or India, etc?

There are lots of hair cut schools where you can save 50% of a hair cut by letting a student cut it, under supervision of a master. May take longer but it gets done. Is there any watchmaking school where we can send our old ETA's to get serviced for discount by waiting longer too? I want to get a 2846 for a project but they all need service due to age, and minimum cost is probably 180 to 200 I'm thinking.

After looking at the picture of side by side..... My opinion is The bracelet is the same but simply polished more. So there still is no perfect bracelet rep. You can see brush finish on left, and much less brush finish on right meaning it has more polished finish. Where can I read/see about glidelock version and how can I make one?

OK thanks. Can any expert comment if the bracelet is any better? Or is it the same? I ask because I read that the Yuki nor cartel bracelet clasps are far from perfect and that there are no good bracelets. If this is improved it would be good to know.

Anyone think it would be possible to order just a tudor case back that's engraved or his source never sells parts?

People like me, who only dive for lobster up to 35 feet. Over 60 feet I agree it's better to use good gauges and computers.

Just get a Yuki 7928 dial. It looks exactly the same to me. Fits all eta 28xx

I make jewelry, and I found that if you have two different materials ( brass is hard, the epoxy soft), it is difficult to sand them both flat together. Even on a perfectly smooth surface. The soft epoxy will want to move/tear while the hard brass will achieve the finish you will soon see a concave hole in the epoxy. Better to solder the holes with quality silver solder or copper colored solder.

Soft solder is very soft and porous, difficult to sand smooth. So I recommend silver solder, ( just sharing in case others try). Silver solder will give a higher quality finish to help achieve which ever texture/finish needed. There is a copper colored solder you can buy, but it won't be a perfect color match to brass. I can't find a link to copper colored solder but beading makers and jewelers get it online. But here is good quality silver solder I get from hardware store. But you will need a perfectly clean dial for solder to flow, and the challenge of quality silver solder is that the required temperature is high. You can't use an electric solderer. So that might be why some are recommending to fix the holes with epoxy. You could melt the brass dial if you are new with hard soldering with torches. But it's easy with practice. http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1382484&KPID=1133536&cid=CAPLA:G:Shopping_-_Solder1_-_New&pla=pla_1133536&k_clickid=978fed33-3a9f-4cb0-9019-5cbcfdef9478

That's so stupid that they have a right to open and check if items are gen. What a waist of time and resources.

If the OP is admitting the first site is cheaper for same watch than I fail to see how a spammer would post it. But, I am surprised at what they try to pull. Lol.

It's pretty amazing that anyone would drop 5k for a fake dial watch. He clearly states "custom dial". So is this legal? It appears. Again....this is all because Rolex parts are so limited....that it's profitable to split up gen. Watches which creates Frankenstein.

It's still up on eBay. Shouldn't it have been removed by now? He does say "custom dial and custom bezel insert". But he never states if the case is original. So is it easy to profit by splitting up watch parts like this? If it is, then isn't it ironic that because Rolex controls extra parts being limited....... The consequence is that people will split up gen. Rolexes and create Frankenstein to profit.....which is causing a situation Rolex tried to avoid. If Rolex parts were not so hard to get, people would have more gen. Watches.....but by limiting parts, they are making people split up gen. watches and create crappy creature features...... So I think rolexes policies backfired.

The site never loads for me. So it is fishy. Banned from loading if you are in U.S.? That's a huge red flag.

True, but technology exponentially makes things easier and cheaper. Escaping earth's gravity was a bad example on my part. There is no cheap way to escape gravity. I should have said computers, 3d printing, stereographic cameras, 3d modeling software.....etc...are all cheaper and easier to use.

But if I understand, even the new cartel needs a good deal of shaping to be right. The body/lugs need slimming, and is missing a beveled edge. The crown guards are still not perfect, and there are probably other issues as well. Asking the source to fix this will not work. And 1200 dollar phongs are not consistant. We must make a perfect copy. We landed men on the moon half a century ago. This is ridiculous if we can't figure this out.

If this is the newer Cartel case, did you leave the crown guards as is or did you shape anything on case including lugs? Also, did you get a new bezel assembly? The cartel insert is glued instead of pressure fitted. Mine fell off so I'm buying an after market bezel assembly.

This !!!!!!!! It makes more sense. We can more easily get more people to pool or fund the costs.

So wait, does this mean this cartel version has correct size inserts or bezel? I ask because the regular newer Cartel has wrong size insert or bezel so they have to glue instead of tension fit. I thought that was the biggest or only problem with the new cartel sub. ( Besides endlinks which is not a biggie).

Which Torx size fit in the crown tube to install or which Rolex spline? Many of us can't find any facts on what tool fits Athaya 702 tube. I asked and he said some small Torx. I can't understand how difficult this is to find.