Jos Nana Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 (edited) Delivered 3 watches to him... tracking given and he claim he received an empty box.. When asked for further details as to whether the box is sealed, open by customs or postal service workers... He file a compliant with pp for chargeback..No answers to all my mails, pms.... I have waited 1 month for this to be resolved.. But I will not tolerate further.... Vince, you stupid fool.. I have registered the tracking nos with pp when the package is in transit to you..I have also faxed a copy of the EMS bill and shipping invoice to pp, . Vince, you will not get your money back !!!!! The money stays with pp.. I do not have your money now... Claim it from pp if indeed you did not received anything. It is none of my business now.. Details as follows : Name: Vince BArone Email: vjbar1@comcast.net Old RWG Nick : vince XXXX Ireland Ln Aurora, CO 80015 United States Tel : XXXXXXXXXX Vince, I dun care now if you did or did not received your watches...I have sent the watches and I want my money... If the money is not reverse back into my account within 3 days,..your apt number and tel number will be revealed. Thanks Joshua Edited May 10, 2006 by Jos Nana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Good on you Joshua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 [censored]ing scammers Hope it will be resolved Joshua. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stac Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Get'm Jos! I hate when a good guy gets screwed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcher71 Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Vince is in colorado? Makes me wonder if he is the infamous scum-bag Scott Hawkins. I think you dealers should post the identities of the scammers more often, because if they are scamming you, then they will likely try to scam unsuspecting members as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Yeah I'm all for total disclosure, get these scammers out of here. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Nana Posted May 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Well his nick at old RWG is vince... If admin members at the old board can retrieve his registration info, maybe can do a match here and clean him out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Joshua, I haven't tried your reps yet, but have always read what a stand-up honest guy you are. Always quick to reply, and equally quick to take care of any problems that might arise. Between your email addy getting jacked, and the PP problems, and now this, you sure are getting way more than your fair share of bad luck. Who ever gave you that lucky rabbit's foot . . . find that rabbit & give it back! You definitely do not deserve all the krap that has happened to you. I definitely agree with posting the scammer's info. All of our trusted dealers give us great service, an honestly described product, and are honest business people who wouldn't think of scamming us. By choosing to deal with the members of these boards, you should have the use of all it's resources to protect you from getting scammed too. Hope you get your $$$ back real quick. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bignasty Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Josh, I've never had any personal dealings with you either. But you have been quick to answer my questions. I'm glad you are posting this information on the forums not only to shead light on the situation but also to help us protect ourselves. Now we all know not to deal with this guy, just like Scott Hawkins. More power to you Josh, and I hope you get your money back! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrow Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Good for you Joshua, expose the scammer!!java script:emoticon('', 'smid_11') I've ordered two watches from Joshua so far and great service both times. Defintely my dealer of choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcher71 Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Can't be done unless Blade comes out of the wood work and does it. Mods at the old site had very limited administrative rights and had no access to registration info, IP addresses, etc. Well his nick at old RWG is vince... If admin members at the old board can retrieve his registration info, maybe can do a match here and clean him out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryyannon Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 This has happened to most or all of our family of dealers as well - once again, I think that they would be wise to refuse multi-watch deals with members who have not proved their own trustworthiness, either by long-standing and trouble-free membership on RWG or TRC or by some other means. Perhaps this idea is unworkable, but I know that I personally would not purchase three watches at a time from a dealer that no one actually knew about or who had not proved himself to be above-board. The practices of a few dishonest scammers could eventually hurt all of us (dealers refusing to use pp; higher prices, etc.) so it's really in everyone's interest to try to find a viable solution to the problem... In the meantime, my sympathy for Josh: an impeccable dealer with no need for this sort of dishonesty from one of our 'members' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwai02 Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 (edited) Oh well, if all he did was pp complaint without any communication. I would say he is a 99.99% scammer. Anyway, if you don't have any money in your pp account. He is not going to get anything anyway. It's fine to expose the scammers, but I don't think it really does anything. Maybe the dealers can start a blacklist, which stated the reason for blacklisting. As an active ebay, I know the pain to deal with these assholes. You know what, I just sold a box of broken laptop parts on ebay for $17. All the parts are marked as dead, not working and broken. The buyer received it in 2 days and he told me that the parts are useless and he wanted me to refund him $20. Ya, right! Edited May 10, 2006 by cwai02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwai02 Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 (edited) btw, you can check his address at google satellite map. http://maps.google.com/ Maybe he is neighbour of Scott Hawkins, lol Scott Hawkins 5165 Crestwood Dr. Colorado Springs, Co 80918 USA Edited May 10, 2006 by cwai02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 (edited) Fuk that sucks! Everyone is so worried about getting scammed themselves nobody pays attentio to the risk of the seller. Sorry to hear about that Josh. Edited May 10, 2006 by Category 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that_watch_guy Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 I swear that sellers get scammed AT LEAST as much as buyers. I wish everyone would switch over to Western Union. If pp actually gives this animal his money back, what's to stop everyone from just going on pp, receiving their merchandise and then claiming "oh it was just an empty box"...? For Christ's sake dealers, stop using pp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryyannon Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 not so fast, amigo... Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater: pp works fine for most of us - dealers included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadog13 Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 that is really sad to hear... even if i ordered just one watch from josh all i can tell is that his service is the best one... but no need to tell that to you guys, because some of you know it better than me... Joshua, we are with you on this! fight the scammers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olreon Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 hello, sad to hear jos... maybe we should make a official scammers list on rwg. best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Stupid scammers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJGladeRaider Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 I swear that sellers get scammed AT LEAST as much as buyers. I wish everyone would switch over to Western Union. If pp actually gives this animal his money back, what's to stop everyone from just going on pp, receiving their merchandise and then claiming "oh it was just an empty box"...? For Christ's sake dealers, stop using pp! Oh yeah, wonderful -- there's your answer. Let's just do away with pp so no buyer has any recourse whatsoever just because some twit turned out to be a thief. I not only us pp, I fund it with my American Express so if pp won't do right by me, I know Amex will. I probably should also mention that I have bought several hundred watches these last few years that way and only had problems twice - both with sellers on ebay, and neither having anything to do with reps. I do believe that exposing the puke was a wonderful idea; I'll see what I have on this mutt. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Vince is in colorado? Makes me wonder if he is the infamous scum-bag Scott Hawkins. I think you dealers should post the identities of the scammers more often, because if they are scamming you, then they will likely try to scam unsuspecting members as well. Exactly my thoughts, Watcher71. Just a clear gut feeling. Doesn't the name Vince Barone, sound like a name you would come up with if you said, "Uh...I think I'll use an Italian-American name this time"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerstone Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Exactly my thoughts, Watcher71. Just a clear gut feeling. Doesn't the name Vince Barone, sound like a name you would come up with if you said, "Uh...I think I'll use an Italian-American name this time"? It's a real name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy1 Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 I have placed a few orders with Jos in the past. And there was one recently, in which I recieved the incorrect watch. I photographed the watch on top of the box, still packed in it's original packing, and sent it to him. I had my correct watch in FOUR days to the US. He is a stand up dealer IMHO, and usually sends out correct or replacements instantly in order to keep his customers happy. The problem is that some assholes try and take advantage of this trait becasue they see it as a weakness. But hey forget that the dealers have info and adresses in which to dole out the the interent community. And that is not a good thing for a scammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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