PeteM

Thats a QC pic ?

Oooo you are are a tease Thank you

Agree much better but if you are anal then its still off..... however I am happy with the height.... The V6 has other issues I think are much more telling for those that know

We all know how much Sly and Arnie etc are into PAMs and indeed... we can argue that without Sly we wouldnt have PAMs today.... We have seen Statham transporting stuff wearing his Daylight.... with alarm function !! But blimey I know in the first film they were wearing a few here and there and as I recall the lead pic had sly with a 253 or 286.. I never saw the film or paid much attention to it.... saw a few posts here discussing it... But last night I was looking at something on IDMB or the like.... I came across some official stills.... Its a PAM fest of extraordinary proportion..... Every one and I mean everyone at some point had a PAM on.... The women, the baddies and the Team themselves.. Brasso's for the team when operational.... then various others .... the Golds, The Subs, The LMs The Ms.... Oh the humanity..... I reckon even the hangers on ended up with a PAM.... I wondered what the credits say at the end of the film?

Nice work mate... I hope it works out I appreciate your effort and time Sorry if this sounds stupid but if the samples work out... wouldnt it be better to get a bigger order together first for a lower price straight off? At least that stops the first guys taking the 'hit' for the first batch Sorry if thats coming across wrong mate ... I dont want to sound ungrateful of your efforts... But if you can indulge an ignaramous like me

Your concern isnt really a QC issue mate... Now if you want a list of where this rep falls short of the gen then thats a different question...

TBH I always found the QC process to be a bit misleading in a lot of circumstances.... I think the dealer sees it more as a means of washing his hands rather than a way of providing comfort... OK it does work in most circumstances.. But most dealers know they can influence the way pics present the watch.... in addition you can get a watch you didnt QC... and if you raise an issue a lot of dealers will give you the ... Its a rep !! line.. Now I aint slagging off the dealers and generally it can work for both parties but things happen... a lot of dealers also know we wont send something back... we will just fix it or put it down to the game.... In my own case.... I dont get QC pics generally as my dealer is trusted not just by the forum but also by me personally... he is a modder and has been about a long time, I know his eye and what he looks for from a watch....but what I do is list the known issues of a watch I want and ask him to check for them... thats can sometimes include the movement.... he also keeps the watch running for 48hrs before he ships.... if he is unsure he might send a pic but it will be of the specific detail and in macro.. Some guys here I think see QC as a lazy way of getting the best rep they can.... but anyone should always research a model and the version.... see whats discussed and know what is an issue generally or not...its not just about the obvious things like scratches, damage etc... If you know a model has specific consistency issues... then before you order you should email dealer and express your requirements... and that you dont want to argue about that issue if it arises in the QC pics you just want a replacement... if you have that guarantee then you can use the process much better... Same goes for any point of concern... including movements.... you tell dealer before you order that you want the movement verified.... some will some wont some do some dont.... I have always found dealers ready to provide guarantees about possible issues before i order.... I had one recently... I had three knock backs until I got what I wanted... but we had preagreed it... it wasnt perfect but it was the best I could expect as a rep and not as bad as most I have seen... Most dealers dont hold stock if fact no dealer does.... they may buy a couple of dozen models if they are 'Hot' or first issue but other than that they dont have them there ready.... and once they order from maker most makers wont take them back if there is a fault... the dealer has to take the hit... or sell it to someone else !! Some dealers have better relationship with certain dealers.... like the H factory is a PIA to deal with.. you ask any dealer... they refuse to deal with some dealers or will sell them models but wont engage any further than that... so in that case if you pick a dealer who has a bad relationship with a maker and something goes wrong in terms of issues/defects etc then you will have a problem or certainly your dealer will.... Andrew and Josh have a good relationship with H Maker.... Angus doesnt nor does S or Rochest etc... but Angus has good relationship with Noob... so he can generally get replacements etc... It goes on and on.. The only way to minimise the risks of this game is to get to know it.... Know the players... know the processes.... everyday is a new learning day... But most importantly know the rep you are buying.... know exactly what you are ordering, what level of quality you can expect and what to look for when its ready... Dont rely on posting QC pics for advice and comment especially if you arent asking something specific... If you are Pre Ordering then you are doubling that risk.... so pick the dealer... know how he resolves issues etc.... and ask before you buy/order tell them what you expect or what you wont accept... that way they have a choice... As a little example.... I sent a few TD dealers (over 10) an email looking for a specific watch.... all of them said they couldnt get it, it was no longer made and the maker had no stock.... I already knew this but hoped one of them might have a lead on one.... sitting on a shelf or in a market stall somewhere... However 1 very well known and well trusted dealer replied by saying order it first then I will let you know but should be OK... plus he wanted me to pay the full whack whereas I know the makers have dropped their prices by a few hundred dollars.... which I know he must know given his relationship with them... but even if he dont I know... he knows its not available from the maker.... I know he discussed it with another dealer Its all a game

I like the image that conjures up..... The "Swiss Made Vortex " I guess that goes with the AAAAAA+++++ version Though back on track..... the dealer orders the model... the maker has it ready or puts it together.... if he dont have what he needs you get whats on the table (notice I doint say bench!!) Its a tough one but yes its part of the game.... but having said that I would expect a TD to resolve it by some method... it wont be perfect and certainly wont involve a refund but I am sure you could get something from them even if its a few free shipping coups or the like... As for the idea of getting a swiss.... thats almost as likely as getting 1:1 replication .....certainly at the moment... unless they have an old one laying about Which seems to be the example here...

Oh thats a shame to hear that mate.... I had been planning to visit your office... :)

Sorry M I forgot the OP mate... Its no excuse regardless but unfortunately a common issue... though I reckon that lug damage might be more dealer issue the dirty movements I reckon are on every single rep and the scratches for that matter.... Its lucky in a way that you are a competent modder.... if you had been like me it would have been a bigger upset ....for sure!

In your office?

:rofl:

Good eye there mate....... I wouldnt recognise mine even if I .........

Thanks mate It certainly looks better than the really strong blue AR these rep OTB have... though I wondered if this was an exception to the rule? As for the crack.... it was just a bit of banter..... Bear loves his watches.... and everyone elses

Agh Ha !! And the missing round was a rep !!

So was it a Chinese guy on the grasy knoll??

Got to admit it looks good to me.... a few things look right to me from staring at rep pics etc recently... but Tx is one knowledgeable guy though he tagged some of the pics.... and some of those letters look very similar in the way they are styled (if you think of someone going to form the letter rather than the shape itself) to the writing on the warranty card.... If I was interested I would email Hublot they can confirm where it was bought etc Or call Siddiqi direct they are a well known seller with several ADs Should he have a letter too? or is that on certain models ?

Blimey Ray.... Nice watch case there.... but why oh why are there lings in there!!!???!!! I think back to when we first chatted on here.... both fresh faced and youthful.... not a care in the world... but now.........

Well you just had one oldie reply... Now where is Mike or Drazen.... theres another couple of oldies.... but I think time has been unfair to them....

Given the factory that make these model types... I doubt it and if they do it wont be great just like the others they make.... either in quality or replication.. The better factories arent really looking to do these given the return on the effort needed....

I keep coming back to this ..... !! Just when I thought I was out......this pulls me back in !!!.....

Very nice mate.... lovely pics.... Has it had AR redone? or is it just good photos And Bear is a great guy to deal with and a nice guy to know.... but I hope you checked your wrist before you left.. !!

I found this during my usual trawling expeditions on the world wide web.... Thought it might be useful for those trying to research the brand and models... http://www.friendsof...ake-vs-genuine/ or http://forums.watchuseek.com/f22/oris-carlos-coste-fake-vs-genuine-158535.html

Thanks Andy

Makes perfect sense mate.... Thank you for taking the time to reply I had thought it might be a quality issue but for the life of me I couldnt find anything that said why.... Funnily enough Panerai say avoid doing it unless its dead.... then only a few turns But others say crack on... you cant damage it.... or even over wind it... Problem with me is I only understand basics... so I cant see the movement working in my head as I do something to it...therefore cant work out the consequence.. Not for the want of trying... it just dont settle in my head... As an aside and if you dont mind me asking... If you have a big secs hand on something like the Hublot 48mm Kings...its very hacky and on the rep can jump around... (It can be hacky on gen but not as much I think) So is that an issue with the length/weight of the hand on the poorer quality gears in the clone?