Legend

Very nice, and thank you for the education. I appreciate it.

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Coincidentally, I was looking at this 5min ago.

Beautiful watch I must say, and a lot of wrist presence indeed!

Just one comment, is it me or is the top circle in the "8" a tad too small? 

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So I finally settled on a couple reps I'm going to buy. One of them is a Richard Mille RM011, and I'm going to modify the daylight out of it. I want an RG case model, but I HATE gold plating. I've always had terrible luck with gold plated jewelry. Could I bring the watch to a jeweler and have them build me a case from real 18K RG? Is that possible? I'm sure if it is, it'll cost an arm and a leg, but I'm prepared for that. Does anyone know if it's actually possible?

Considering all aspects of your statement, I would say that it is not a cost efficient project for many reasons. 

a. The RG case cost would easily buy you a nice mid to high level gen watch. With the costs of customisation, design, and of course material, you might wish to rethink this.

b. You need a date overlay for the watch to look accurate for casual visual inspection. Frankly, skeleton dials have the advantage of looking messy and complicated, so unless a side by side scrutiny is done, one skeleton dial is as good as another if you do not know the intricate details. My point is: the rep dial is good enough.

c. I have zero knowledge on the RM movement, but I think you are someone who likes the looks of the RM watch on the wrist, rather than the engineering. So in this case, the rep movement could serve.

Looking at the 3 points raised above, why not spend effort to solve the most obvious tell, the datewheel font? Cost wise, this would be an infinitesimal percentage of customizing a real RG case for the watch?  

The rep is done fairly well, and the print inaccuracy is a classic error of a lot of rep watches. 

But movement wise, yes the gen and rep uses exactly the same movement. 

Perhaps what you need is a dial replacement and you have a good "franken"

The rep cost about 25% of the gen if I am not mistaken? that is a relatively high percentage but heck, this one has the same movement as the gen. May make it worth the while.

I don't think there are Sellita based 15300 around. 15300 is a bit old model and the factories are introducing Sellita movements from few months.

Sw200 is just one of the movements (it is in practice an eta 2824-2). There are others, like the Sw500 which is the chronograph, another which I don't remember the nr that is the eta 2836-2 (day date one ) etc.

Just give a look to Sellita site to get some knowledge.

Do you remember we used to have AP divers offered with that movement? I had one (v3.5 I think) that held up pretty well!

If I was you, anyway, I'd go for the Asian eta... As many members who works on the reps have said, it is from at least 2 years they don't see a real eta in any rep... This doesn't apply to the ones with Sellita calipers which btw are MUCH more expensive.

Selita SW200 movement you mean?

I took a closer look, the correct 3 divisions are there

Which you already know about, old timer. 

Don't pretend to take lessons here.

Thanks for the referrals

 

Actually, I'm not seeing the "minor flaw" of the 6 o'clock subdial... both the gen and the rep have (from what i can discern) the same number of subdivisions between the numbers of the subdial.... 

 

I'm referring to the first picture when you google Hublot Ice Bang - its a picture from the original website (of which link I would hesitate to post here)

The gen has 3 sub divisions in the 6 o'clock subdial between the longer markers. Look at this pic from the Hublot website.

http://www.hublot.com/en/watches/big-bang-ice-bang.

Then look at the rep pic. You will see, young padawan.

Legend, thanks for the great advice!!!

Anytime mate, but my knowledge is limited.

Speak to my friend Martijn, or the legendary PeteM on Hublots, and you can speak with guys like Folex if APs are your thing.

Remember, we are all here to share and learn and laugh at the silliness of others.

The one you are looking at is an identical watch to the one in the link I sent. Just different dealers selling the same watch.

BP is just another maker, and I am unsure if they made this watch or they are offering another. Like I mentioned, you have to ask other experts.

I'm out my depth here, if you were going to buy 1 which would you buy?

No worries.

If you are asking which I would get, it makes your question a lot easier to answer.  

I would get this, for the correct thickness, the reliable movement, and the blue dial, the last a personal preference.  

http://www.p-cls.com/ap00023-royal-automatic-ssss-blue-asian-28242-p-12874.html

Someone might be able to tell you more about the BP version if you ask around, which I am not familiar with, and then you can choose which you prefer.

Stunning Think i will do a buy it now

Hey, I was there first!

Ok my last few threads have been about the AP 15400 Miyota and I was just about to purchase 1 but after trying 1 on its looks far too big on my skinny wrists.

 

So now I'm 100% committed to purchasing an AP 15300.... 

 

Can you guys PLEASE point me in the right direction of what is the best version and where is the best place to buy 1....

 

Thanks again so much, you guys are so helpful !!!!

 

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Can you help by defining "best" please? What are you looking for? Accuracy? Build quality? movement stability? 

Someday, I will be there. 

I am going to buy the watch and wear it back to front.

Between the two, http://tswatchltd.co...0-28800bph.html, <------ this is the more accurate one to gen due to the tungsten bezel and the updated movement screws, as well as the date font.

Note the following though:

a. there is a grey/black lume on the gen Ice Bang. This is missing on most reps. 

b. the 6 o'clock subdial is not correct. 4 subdivisions between the numbers compared to 3 on the gen. (Very small flaw in my opinion)

c. The bezel screws are stainless steel on the rep, but a darker titanium on the gen.

It is however a lovely rep overall, and if I seriously like it, I would buy it and mod it to my satisfaction.

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Actually, there are a lot of folks that advocate the diver as the most accurate ROO to date.

I agree, but because the flaws in the ROO chronos are more obvious compared with the diver.

I would recommend a modded diver, with the following done, if you want an even more accurate watch:

Base watch: AP Diver V5, V5.1, V6 (differences to me are very subtle in real life. In pictures, the V6 look the best)

a. slow beat modification: If you have seen the movement on the gen diver, it is a 21,600bph "ticking" vs the 28,800bph smooth sweep used in the replica. This is a subtle difference but you can spot it once you know how to.

b. Bezel screws sinking: Again, something very subtle in real life, but magnified in pictures. Remember that the watch would be a 2inch object on your wrist in real life. All details become harder to scrutinize.

c. Datewheel cyclops: Spot a rep by the very reflective cyclops.

d. Inner bezel numbers on the stainless steel model: My friend and fellow member folex taught me about this recently and I went to do my own research. The recent versions may get closer and closer but still not perfect. There is a subtle lume border around the numbers in the gen which is absent in the rep. A minute detail but once you see it, you cannot "unsee" it.

e. Waterproofing: Well obviously this is not a feature you can spot by looking at a watch. But if you wish to take the watch swimming or diving, trust me waterproofing a watch does wonders to prevent the movement from being the one swimming in the case while you swim in the pool.

f. Relume: to refine the factory lume jobs in decent pieces, and repair it for atrocious models.

So yes, the diver is the closest ROO you can get, but be aware of the existing flaws. Close as it may be, I have learnt to spot the rep 10ft away on the wrist.  

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Legend your contribution is very welcome, and let me even say I really appreciate the erasing sympathy about both me and Jerry.

I regret because I would have been able to understand personal matters by my own, if only he had the decency of answering and explaining.

That's life!

Don't esitate to call me for any problem and thanks again. I'll be indebted with you.

That's what the forum is for mate. Relax and don't worry about a thing. Jerry is a good guy caught in a bad situation. But I'll help you speak to him, he's a fellow local.

I guarantee you'll receive your dial.

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Very nice honestly! If there is an orange version I will take it. Mike, help me out here you Seiko Guru.

I need a new dive watch for my trip to Bali soon.

I feel like living a nightmare.

No more public words about this story by me.

Thx to legend, markie, Mike and all others.

I will help you speak with Jerry, please do not worry.

He is being held up by some personal matters, but like what Mike said, a sale is a sale, and it has to be honored accordingly. 

But as you can see there are positive feedbacks after that. I decided to trust him, this is the truth and my big fault.

I have just spoken to Jerry a few minutes back and this is what I have to say to you

1. Jerry is a good guy, and my friend, and I believe in him.

2. He has just assured me that you would receive your dial. If he tells me that, then I can guarantee that you would

3. Please do not make further comments on this matter. The issue would be resolved if you can wait patiently. You will get your dial and if not, I would speak to him for you.

Thank you. 

to be honest i've been "Cured" of my rep fever once i achieved my holy grails it's been over 5 years since my last rep, but i've always liked the YM's and my father who passed away this past September wore a rolesium YM rep i gave him as a gift

 

been wearing it lately at home just to keep it ticking every now and then and that's probably why im getting an itch for the blue dial ym and why i've posted back on my old rep forums

 

just gotta keep my eyes open on the rolex rep forums once the new batches come out and hopefully gets favorable reviews/comments

I could imagine Lord Voldemort wearing a blue dial Yachtmaster and totally terrorizing Potter and his pals.

I am sorry to hear about your dad, and I hope things are going well for you and your family. It is never easy coping with a tragedy, and I do hope this hobby helps you to deal with the pain a little. Take care and stick around!