sssurfer

Slightly concerned about the sapphire info, because wasn't it someone here whose mineral glass watch exploded embarrassingly in a restaurant? That's why I was favouring sapphire in all the other watches I've bought.

I seem to remember that the guy in the restaurant had his Polex bezel popping off.

Only three members (out of more than twenty) told that their exploded crystal was mineral. One of them told it on the (poorly reliable) water drop test, another one said it was advertised as 'synthetic sapphire' on Josh' site, the third one did not declare how he knew it was glass.

All other members with exploded crystals had 'ultimate' fiddies, 'best' fiddies, swiss versions (expensive and hardly coming with mineral glass), and 212.

In any case, even if those three were actually mineral glesses, ratio is about 7:1 against sapphire.

Almost all the talking against glass, under objective examination, reveals to be essentially rumors, suspicions and pre-assumptions.

Almost all the fixes have been made by getting a sapphire from Davidsen. Noone posted a follow-up, but I can suppose that DSN sapphires did not furtherly explode. DSN sapphires are thicker than usual reps, and a thick sapphire is with no doubt better than a thin glass. What I am telling is that a thin sapphire is worse than a thin glass.

You are absolutely right in preferring sapphire to glass. I'm just adding: with exception for domed sapphire.

I am so persuaded about this that, on my upcoming 212 purchase, I think I'll go for the glass version and avoid all sapphire versions.

sssurfer had a solution but it is a bit too late for me to ask now since the crown is no longer part of the stem....

Hey there, even a stainless steel surfer has to work / sleep at times!

However, good to get a whole watch replacement, especially until you will not enjoy from disassembling a watch.

You reported it?!?

Ouch, I was hoping this was my occasion to finally get in possess of a noobmariner...

Actually, if you look closer at the seller, they had recently bought a genuine pearwood box, so they could conceivably go and use that to display the rep, and supply a rep box...

Well, I actually had a feeling that that was the box.

I can't tell you what happened to me when I saw those pics as it would get censored.

I'll make it easier by pretending I had an heart attack.

Note to self. Lock the cat and any children out of the workshop

You may be sure that the cat made it for the best.

No kidding. I am a crown obsessor. I have the most extensive crown PAM collection including two generations of the Lello's, a couple of versions of the Palp/PAM's, the Homers and the gens. I can't tell you how many crowns I have for other manufacturers with no watch to go with it. In fact I just found a source for a dozen Mille crowns. I bought one to see if it is the same size as the new rep and I have no intention of buying the watch.

Kudos to the Almighty.

Several steps behind you, but I share your same obsession, W.

I have a 47mm Pam (forgot the model number) that has Panerai Luminor(top) and Militare Marina(bottom) and would like to remove the latter text without damaging the dial.

If the text on your watch was like this, I am sorry to say that you just changed a nice 6152/1 rep.

I tried several chemicals to the task, and none proved able to remove the text only while leaving the background untouched.

Just, one of them (I can't even remember which exactly, maybe acetone) removed the text a few seconds before attacking the background. So, if one is really fast in removing the solvent after it removes the text and before it removes the background, he could end with a just slightly damaged backround.

Nice find! It also has the usual 'certifiDato di garanzia internazionale', and the caseback qualifies this watch as the low-cost 027 rep that, e.g., Silix is selling @80 USD.

Still, with the box & cards & screwdriver included, and a starting bid of about 100 USD, I would not say this was a rip-off.

But the bay is a wrong place to sell reps.

Thanks The Zigmeister & SSSurfer for your expert eyes..........Joshua's going to exchange for a brand new piece ....can't say fairer than that.

Yes, with Josh you can't go wrong, his customer care is simply outstanding.

Turning back to considerations about the watch, I really hope that that cyclops actually was a mistake, not a first example of the new models with 'improved' date and cyclops that were rumored to make their appearance in a while. I am wondering this as the date font looks really good, a step ahead in comparison with former models.

As a smaller cyclops provides higher magnification, the manufacturers might be tempted to use such a cyclops even on a 'sandwich' crystal with a larger hole.

In this case, sending that watch back actually made for a double benefit: to you, and to any future customers. We have to make it clear with the manufacturers that we don't want that kind of a date 'improvement'...

Did anyone notice that CH stands both for 'Switzerland' and 'China'?

Everyone will usually answer that their special forces is the best, for some reason.

In this case may I include the best robbering politicians force?...

An excellent rescue and revenge on that site. Now you can be proud of your first purchase!

Wow, 2 years lurking before making your first purchase.

A good first purchase, congrats!

It is my sad duty to inform you that once you get your first PAM there's no coming back. This is the end of your lurking age and the beginning of your watch and strap frenzy.

Welcome aboard.

the ring seems to be absent on angus' ultimate 92.

Oddly enough, the ring is also undetectable on Josh's pics of his upgraded (PN09203 - PN09204) models, I can spot it on his 'old' (PN09202) model only...

Thanks to everyone who expressed their interest. Notice taken.

I think what you see around the cyclops, is the fact that the crystal in a sandwich with the bottom part having a hole for the Cyclops to fit into.

The ring is the sides of the hole cut out in the bottom half of the sandwich.

RG

Well, I was suspecting that (actually, I asked that exactly to be sure).

As a matter of fact, I had some experiments on that kind of sandwich crystals, and I could verify that that double ring appears only when the cyclops is not extactly the same size as the hole -- e.g., a 6.75mm diameter cyclops in a 7mm diameter hole.

So I was essentially wondering whether that watch had a replaced cyclops, or it came that way from the dealer.

In either case, I think it would deserve a new cyclops with a better fitting in the hole. I feel it is a shame that the cyclops is screaming 'fake!' in an otherways very good watch.

I tried to make that part as visible as I could, but even with my nice digital camera, it might not show that it has no "hollow" end, where a pin might be screwed in.

It's a clean level break, leaving no hole in that end.

I already feel a newbie fool asking this, but that does usually mean one gets to keep this first watch? I don't want to send this one back for anywhere up to $20-$30 to China, but don't know what is the accepted custom.

If you don't want this, then I'm afraid your only option is getting the link+pin and have them mounted where you are.

Thanks, as usual, sssurfer!

BTW, you seem to have a lot of experience, and your posting skills look surprisingly good both on quoting and pics, for a female apprentice...

Also, don't you ever sleep?!?

Check the link on the watch side and look whether it has empty holes where the pin should stay (unable to tell from the pics).

If yes, it's just a matter of a missing pin, you may ask Silix for one.

(I doubt that a pin from another link would fit, as the links close to the watch are of different sizes than those close to the clasp, and they have pins rather than screws).

Be aware that it will be a push-only pin: once placed, you cannot remove it.

If not, then it is a defective first link. You may ask Silix for it AND a pin, but I think you'd better ask for a whole watch replacement.

BTW, I may confirm that Silix is sometimes slow on replying, but he always comes through.

Narikaa has one.

PM sent.

Do not worry, gen hands are black, the pic on the OP catalogue must be of a prototype.

Yours is an excellent watch, congrats! The only (very very minor) 'flaws' that I can spot on a side-to-side pic comparison are that, on the gen, the lume on hands is whiter than the lume on mumbers and indices, and the brushed SS texture is a little more aggressive.

...Apart from the cyclops... Where does that odd 'double contour' come out from?!?

Be advised: the 111H has a polished bezel.

Surely you wanted to type 'brushed', archie

sssurfer... if the answer to the DW's is yes they do interchange with the other PR's with the so called "same" movement ... but we cannot get the specs ... would one date wheel suffice as a sample to find the correct spares???

I doubt it, unfortunately.

Apart from the fact that I do not feel that my (or Lello's) watchsmith is so skilled to recognize what type a DW is by just looking at it, even a difference so small to be undetectable at the eye would compromise everything...

(thanks for your offer, J.!)

By the way I just asked a dealer he said certain dials for example GMT etc cannot be relumed. Is that true? Or it's too difficult to do so compared to those sandwiched dials?

That is not true.

(btw, I would suggest to open new threads for topic changes of this kind)

Fellas which model is this of pam....and wats the difference between them and the ones i posted before

They are fantasy with vintage-style hands to give them a look vaguely 6152-1 type.

As for the differences, just check them side by side, they are easy to spot (hint: text).