slay

do you remember which one of these you showed me when we met? I bought one from silix for a friend of mine (a different one, not one from your pictures) but it had a different "pling" noise and I really liked the way how your dupont made "pling"

yours made like a loooong noise, the one I got has just a very short "pling"!

dont work too much! we dont want to see you being ill again and not being able to work on watches!!!

he didnt say it is genuine though!

I dont want to sound rude but i dont think you know much about this model.

The PAM 27 has had different types of power reserve arrow.

please check it out here direct from the PANERISTI website http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome...meframeset.html

click on PAM27 on the left hand side and then look closely at the second picture. You see the Power reserve arrow.....

Yes the CG isnt great but you criticise the movement. Its maybe a Seagull movement which are great.

Please check it out

Thanks

Joe

there's still A LOT wront with that watch, it looks like a low-end chinese rep that sells for 10$. canal st. rep!

wait till our dealers get this model from a better manufacturer.

imo it looks really bad and cheap. if you dont feel that way, buy it!

it is a really really really really bad rep! look at the CG's lol and the powerreserve arrow, ridicolous! The movement is probably crapoly also!

are you serious in buying that fuminor uglina?

I might be able to make 4-5 but definetly not 6-7 cause we leave at like 9pm!

nothing wrong with any of our dealers.

most likely the auctioneer removed it

could you maybe reply to my pm's regarding your rolex crowns? that would be very nice!

nope, germany. they usualy seize that stuff, I once bought a pair of shoes (didnt know they'd come from china, should have looked closer at that auction) and they seized them and sent me all kinds of threatening letters and stuff.

as far as I know, they HAVE to seize products that come from out of EU and bear certain trademarks, even if they are genuine. it has to be proven that they are genuine, before they can release them. at least the lady at the customs office told me that.

what kind of case are you using?

well, I'll give you some first hand info. They claim a missile hit the pentagon....not a plane. There is an faa hanger full of aircraft parts recovered from the Pentagon site. Maybe the missile had an airplane inside of it?

Of course, the planes passengers were all part of it, right?

Actually, "they" were also planning on bombing "the grassy knoll" but ran out of time.

as far as I remember, they claumed, that a drone with a bomb or whatsoever hit the pentagon. they claim this, because one of the engines shown on the video footage after the attack shows an engine of the exact same size of the drone (which aparently is smaler than the engine of an airplane), and also the airforce claimed that one or two drones were missing in action and they didnt know where they were. Dunno if that is correct or just [censored], but that sounds a LOT more plausible than a missile lol

dunno if its true, but I dont really care anymore. jfk was also not shot by lee harvey oswald (IMO) and there's nothing we can do about it now and nothing will stop those who did it. never.

I also believe that something with schumachers engine failure was fishy. I too believe that something with alonsos failures was fishy, because ppl were bored back in the days, when one racer dominated F1, they wanted to make it more interesting. But still, nothing we can do about it!

oh god, lets not start this again, that didnt end well on the other board... it was about the same video IIRC

I had this tape over a few packages from andrew, too. The tape was even on the watch wrap, I still have NO idea why they didnt seize the watches!

the reason for that might be, that most movement manufactures were owned by SSIH or ASUAG?! I really dont know, but I know what you mean, I've also always wondered why they all sort of look a like.

But soo many movement manufacturers were part of SSIH/ASUAG that this might be the reason for that. It was ALL about cutting the costs, because they had some serious troubles back in the days.

could be? my tracking shows my packes is out of customs for 5 days and i havnt recieved it yet....

do you know how many psi is 1meter diving?

could you take a pic of how you mounted trhe cape cod on your dremel? I tried it and it didnt work as I wanted it to!

I really cannot see the similarites you talk about. The Cortbert name is now owned by an Italian company called Perseo. They went out of business during the 1950's. Virtually all pocketwatch movt are very similar in design. It's a straightfroward type of escape wheel movt - and nothing more. There are dozens of them that all look similar. The Unitas was designed in the 1950's long after Cortberts 616 which dates back to the mid 1930's. And also the 6497 looks absolutely nothing like a cortebert.

Cortebert is/was owned by SSIH (Société Suisse pour l’Industrie Horlogère) which was founded by Paul Tissot and Omega. They had its seat in Geneva. SSIH later merged with ASUAG (Allgemeine Schweizerische Uhrenindustrie A.G.) (and called ASUAG-SSIH) and the rights of the ebauches went to ETA (but that was after the 70s). Unitas is/was owned by Ebauches S.A. they were also part of SSIH/ASUAG earlier (in the 50s or so). They are all one company now (ETA)

I dunno who owns the "name" cortebert today, but as far as I know, Cortebert's ebauches are owned by ETA now!

Some Paneristi also told me that the 6497 is based on the cortebert design, but that was a long while ago.

All the Radiomir 3646 with Moilnija's are 47mm. The ETA 6497 is not based on the Cortebert at all. It is a Unitas design that became an ETA when Unitas were absorbed by them. The Molnija is certainly an almost exact copy of the 616 not the 618 which is different although it shares the same baseplate with the 616. Some parts are interchangeable such as the hour wheel which means being able to use existing hands. The cannon pinions are different and not interchangeable unless you change the bearings because the centre wheel pinions are different sizes.

The similarity between these movts sizes is merely coincidence as they are both essentially pocket watch movts that tended to be similar sized cases.

The new 3646 which has ETA or Asian 6497 is still the same 47mm case and crown but with a [censored] dial instead. Cases are obviously coming from the same maker (although some now have the design change spring bar) but dials must be from a different one who really does not know his stuff.

Same story with the new 6152's with 6497. Same case as before (although there were certainly a couple of versions form different makers) which is the one that has 2 screws in each strap pin. The come with display back and snap on solid cover or solid only cover. These have a good CG but crown ideally needs to be fiddy type. All the cases happily accept either 6497 or Molnija or 616 for that matter!!

As far as I know, Cortebert was bought by Unitas (which is also the reason why there are a lot of newer cortebert watches with unitas movements), which is the reason why the 6497 has so many similarities with the 616/618. I'm not saying that its an exact copy, but they bear a LOT of similarities!

What I did was the following:

While watching the first episode of lost the other day, I kept the bridge in my hands and rubbed the cape cod on it. After the episode was over, the cape cod cloth was black, and I mean really black, and the bridge had a mirror finish. It looks better IMHO, not exactly like the gen, but a lot better than with those little nasty brush marks.

I will now try to give it a brushed look, sort of like on that picture you attatched, mark. Thanks for that btw. I havnt found a good pic of the movemt yet.

Another reason for my attemt to polish the bridge is, that the engraving is too deep on the rep. If you take a look at the picture, the engraving is not as large as on the rep movement, but also not as deep. The polishing made the engraving look not as deep.

I have no idea, yet, how to get a nice brushed look, but I hope I will figure it out eventualy!

I learned, that all it takes, is time and dirty hands lol! i mean the brush marks were like real deep on that bridge, now they are not visible anymore!!

Maybe the best method of recreating the look of the gen is grinding all the engraving off, brushing the bridge and using a pencil to write PANERAI PANERAI on the bridge lol

lol I almost forgot about her... is she still writing on rwg sr.?

hm... the molnija movements I own are the same size as unitas (after all, the 6497 is based on the cortebert 618/616 and the molnijas are based on that movement, too). They didnt make many of those cases then, because all the vintages with molnija movement I had, were 47mm and not 45!

Not sure what you mean there Slay?

I mean those Radiomir style "vintage" 3646 watches all came in 47mm cases. If his is a 45mm, chances are that its a blackseal case, because I dont see the reason for making a different 45mm case when you have the blackseal case on hand. I didnt even know there were 45mm vintages besides the ones WM and davidsen offer