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I sourced a watchsmith who will look at the DW-copy movement, and see if he can repair it somehow, because it is not very reliable (stops every day at a certain time). if he tells me its junk, maybe i'll try to get a genuine vj23 for ~300$!

but i'm not paying 800$ for a 50 year old vj72!

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i'm looking for a vj72 or vj23 also... but i wont pay more than 3xx$ for it.

i say quartz too

why should I be disappointed, willie?

i sold mine on ebay (and mine didnt even have the radiomir printing on the dial), and clearyl stated it was vintage style and not the real deal, even said all the specs about the movement and stuff, and if someone asked if it was real, i told them no.

but still some [censored]tard kept bidding on it and then refused to take it. [censored]tard was too stupid to read item description. he outbid all the other interested bidders, and thought he made a bargain for 200bucks

Thanks so much for the efforts guys, I really appreciate it, but there is absolutely NO NEED for this nor is there any need to bleed the members dry lol. I have spoken to Paypal and they have confirmed that none of my funds will be returned, which is an inconvenience but not the end of the world. I am just gonna have to chill on purchases and step up the sales lol.

Thanks to all of the people who have donated, but I don't like the can of worms that has been opened by this. We can't have a fund everytime someone gets ripped off, or then we will get false claims from guys of watches going missing and such like.

I thank you for your efforts, but really it is unneccessary.

I love you all, thank you, and always remember.......

PAYPAL SUCKS!!!

Chris

Paypal doesnt suck! if this was not paypal, none of us would have gotten his money back! moneybookers wouldnt have returned any money, neither would egold, WU or whatsoever!

and you are right by saying

We can't have a fund everytime someone gets ripped off, or then we will get false claims from guys of watches going missing and such like.

thats why I only donate to those where I know they deserve it. For example I donated in the RWG watch fund. And I will donate a little bit for you too, because you have been very helpful to me in the past, and 10bucks wont kill me, but will help the fund growing!

I'm not going to donate every time this happens, I donate whenever I feels its nessesary! I also never give any money to beggars, but I DO give a lot of money to those who play the violin on the streets or whatsoever!

And Fake Watches?

Seriously, look around. See those walls? They're glass.

Theres a difference between fake watches and the stuff he named!

fake viagra, fake brake pads, fake condoms, fake baby milk, even fake aircraft parts!

all that stuff can kill ppl, fake watches dont harm nobody!

I dont mind to donate 10bucks if his money is gone, but why dont you guys wait till chris sorts his stuff out?

network54 is not working for me! i always get error 400 - no response from server

looks like my first rolex replica... (which is also about 10 years old i guess)

Get your haggis, right here! Chopped heart and lungs boiled in a wee sheep's stomach! Tastes as good as it sounds. Good for what ails ya!

btw i never had to enter my password again on the old rwg. i always stayed logged in!

bufferoverflow -> root axx on box -> full axx to everything. not that hard.

i bet most unix/linux systems have at least one hole!

if it was not a pw sniffer, how else could they have gotten the passwords of edge AND trusty??!

rivers has some of the best prices i have seen in a while! swan neck 183 for 249, now thats not bad, seriously!

passwords are NOT stored as plain text in the database. they are crypted. and its way too hard to decrypt them as you might think!

i think its more likely that a login sniffer was placed on the site

The logic doesn't work for me.

First of all, these people don't pull raw materials out of their ears.

What does a real ETA movement cost?

What does a real sapphire crystal cost?

Whot does a real 316 stainless case cost?

What does a real stainless bracelet cost?

Even buying in Guangzhou Watchworks quantities, these things are not nickles and dimes. The watch has to cost more than $100 to make . . . and the manufacturer doesn't sell it to our dealers at their cost.

If, as you believe, people are out there buying these best current quality Rolex Subs for $25, why isn't some hungry Chinaman out there selling them for $100. Can you show me where anyone, anywhere, sells the same quality watch with these same components for $100?

If it could be done, someone would be doing it.

The bottom line is, I don't care what they are making. Suppose Joshua's favorite uncle owns Guangzhou Watchworks and outright gives him 100 watches a month - does that make his price on a real nice watch any less of a deal to me?

It's all a question of philosophy I suppose, but I make a good living, and I begrudge no man a good living who is offering me as a good a product or service as I can find elsewhere at the same money.

Bill

First of all, Sichuan is selling ETA rolex for exactly 100$, so your calculation is already overtruned. Second of all, those ETA replicas are being sold to WESTERN tourists for close to 50$ in China if you are a good negotiator. Furthermore you have to keep in mind, that the movements which are being used by rep manufactors are also produced in China and they buy them in large quantities for a very low price.

Genuine Miyots cost about 5$ at cousins. What do you expect a ETA mafucatured in China costs them repmanufactors when bought in large quanitities?

If it would cost the factory 100$ to produce a ETA rolex, you would have to pay something around 500$ for it from your dealer of choice. I believe PAM's are a bit more expensive for them (as those are not being produced in the same quantities as rolexes are) and the movements in those watches are only used in those watches. But still I dont believe the costs for a PAM with swan neck is more than 100$, I believe its somewhere around 70$ or less, because those are being sold to tourists for 120-150$!

I'm not sure you are seeing both sides of this; I cannot identify with this sentiment at all.

What do you pay for a fake Rolex? Plenty of really nice ones for $200+ and some of the very best $300+, how much profit could there be?

For that money, these people risk expensive litigation at best, and jail at worst.

Tell you what, put this in perspective, look in your phone book and call three lawyers advertising criminal defense. Tell them you got busted with 500 fake watches and you don't want to spend the next few years in jail -- see what kind of out of pockt retainer they want.

Take that figure, divide it by what you think their profit margin ought to be, and see how many watches they would have to sell just to cover that potientiality. An indictment here, generally means $100K non-refundable retainer at a minimum.

If you think you've found the key to the mint, set yourself up as a dealer and see. I think you'd find it to be a cut throat business with demanding clients and narrow profit margins.

Just my .02

Bill

As a matter of fact, all watches I bought, I payed for with the money I gained from rep selling. Even though I didnt get my stuff from the factory in China but from our dealers. And I only marked them up about 50bucks!

Otherwise I wouldnt be able to afford any watches for 200$, because I have to pay the debts, since I investet over 300k in a Bar!

How do you think someone from China or Taiwan can afford various genuine watches?

You know what those Rolexes cost straight from the factory? Expect 25$-35$! The ones with asian movements can be bought for less than 10bucks on the STREETS! That means you will still get them cheaper from the factory.

200$ for a Rolex might not be bad, but you probably dont think about is, 200$ is a months income for a lot of families in Asia!

Believe me, SOMEONE in the line marks them watches up BIGTIME! I'm not saying its the dealers, maybe they have middle men too. But even mentioning the thought that the replica business is not all about making big bucks is ridicolous!

I'm pretty sure Sichuan ernst more money with selling reps over here than he could otherwise! And the risk of getting caught in those countries is minimum, if you compare it to western countries.

PT and Homer do a risky business, because its SO easy for feds to track them down&stuff. But I doubt anyone in China/Taiwan cares about someone who sells stuff on the net. And IF they do every once in a while, they do it for the media. Maybe someone refused to pay the bribe? Or maybe competition bribed the cops to arrest them?

Each person gets $15K USD / year. That's average salary in Taiwan.

I'm pretty sure it was 300k per person, because I doubt they only sold 1 watch per day over 4 years!

maybe he started to have a real life?

and now dare to tell me again, dealers do this business out of "generosity" and with small profit margins and all the other crap some guys have told me!

300k in 4 years, i bet those guys lived like millionears over in taiwan!

i had onebad one and 2 good ones so far

and the 20 watches i sold with CN unitas have also been fine, but they were all cote de genve

still i think its someone form this forum... they knew way too much about reps!

respect my authoritäääää :D

yepp, refund recieved! now we need to get YOUR money back chris!

narikaa is not in taiwan.

EL is the only one who has a supplier in taiwan. hope it's not eddies supplier.

but there are tons of rep dealers in taiwan!