By-Tor

Well it looks like when you click the detailed description you no longer get pics of a gen.

But according to the site this "beautiful" Canal Street LV has a genuine dial.

That whole site is a joke... "all our new 2008 models have genuine Rolex dials". Puh-leeze...

I went to your site and you advertise your GMT Master II (16710 model) as this:

Exclusive to BestSwiss: All our 2008 models come with genuine Rolex dials and datewheels.

Then you have a picture of genuine 16710 there... and ALL your pictures in the model-specific areas are of genuine Rolex watches.

However this picture (used in your front page) is a picture of very old and poorly made CN-based 16610 replice.

Please post a real-life picture of your GMT II 16710 replica with genuine datewheel and dial, including closeups of the dial.

Thank you in advance for your courtesy and co-operation.

Did I miss the pics?!?

Soon.

The 2893 has wrong hand stack for the Rolex GMT. However, it's possible to install there if you accept that the red 24h hand will be your 12h hand.

My watch repair guy gave me this option but I didn't want to do it. It's way too weird that way.

Incorrect hand stack is the best option. Sad but true.

To be fair, the rotors can get loose during the shipment too. I've had 2 reps from excellent dealers which came with loose rotors. Both Asian 21J by the way.

Reattaching the rotor is very easy. Open the caseback. Most likely there is a small rotor screw loose in there. Be careful not to lose it. Then take (probably) a 1.2mm screwdriver and guess what... reattach the rotor, using that loose screw.

And what CarlsbadRolex said... do not play with the chronos until your watch is fully wound. It's not likely, but it's possible that it can cause more damage.

Those look like little Asian pubic hairs stuck between the bezel and gasket!

Only the new Link Chrono (with numbers on the bezel) has AR. It also has transparent glass caseback.

The older model (which the rep is made of) definitely DID NOT have any kind of AR.

@CarlsbadRolex: I have another 100% dead CHS movement on my desk here. There are no spare parts available, my watch is a trashable because this same gear has been worn out, and the hour hand isn't moving.

Guess what I did... I bought a gen. I've had enough of this POS chs movement... they're utter junk.

I suggest you try to source a good old wrong hand stack ETA 2836-2 and install it there.

Now that things have calmed down a bit on both sides... I took a second look at his initial post... perhaps TeeJay was 100% honest with his intentions. Somehow that just came out very badly to us... but we could have been wrong, and maybe he had a legitimate reason to demand an answer.

If that was the case, I apologize for my harsh replies. You all know that I rarely lose my temper, but allegations (even veiled ones) of us being "dirty" in ANY shape or form really made my blood boil. I feel this issue very strongly, because I have invested so much time on this community without getting ZERO financial compensation in return. Not that I'd ever wanted any... for me, the feedback from the members is 1000X times more rewarding than money anyway. Same thing with the other admin team members, they do this for the love of this community. Keep in mind that we're volunteers, and although you support the forum maintenance financially you are not supporting us financially, we're not on your payroll.

Anyway... perhaps there should have been an official "Here we stand" post, but we felt like it wasn't our business, because the incident of J&A banning happened in another forum. God knows we have enough problems and drama of our own. Perhaps we were a bit lazy, but this time we didn't want to get involved with it.

But we wanted people to have an open, free discussion (as always) without taking any sides, and it's only natural that things get heated occasionally. I think it was fair that everyone had a chance to post their opinion. But somehow, even this was possible to turn against us... at least it looked that way (TeeJay's post). I'm sure none of this have happened if we just closed the thread from the page 1. That would have been the "easy way out", but like I said in my previous post... we don't handle things that way.

Have more trust in us... we discuss everything in the admin room... and make appropriate decisions (when needed). We can sometimes make wrong moves and it's 100% ok to challenge them... but please don't question our integrity... I can assure you that there is ZERO need for that.

This is not about TeeJay only... I think he was a bit of a scapegoat here, for getting all this heat. We have noticed a trend with other posters too: Something bad happens in the community, and it's always RWG where all this controversy gets posted first. And usually it gets only posted on the RWG. RepGeeks don't want these kind of discussions there, and I understand them perfectly. They have a different style of running their forum, and I'm sure it's much less stressful for their Admin Team.

On the other hand we appreciate that people feel that all things can be discussed openly and freely here... and that's exactly how we want things to be in the future as well. But on the other hand because of this we feel that we have to carry much heavier weight for being "responsible" for everything, and I don't think it's always justified.

In short: You can discuss almost anything, but please don't always force us to "take a stand" on absolutely everything. Some dealers are good, some are not so good. Who those are... almost everyone has a different opinion. That's how the business is.

If it was just another gen that you never wear, I would probably sell it.

But Moonwatch is a legend. Don't sell it, you're going to regret it later.

Greg,

I think that you should just relax a little bit.

Things will get mellow as soon as people stop screaming "murder" everywhere, and stop taking this hobby dead seriously.

I always saw you as a good guy. But now that you removed Neil Peart from your avatar, I'm not so sure anymore...

Omega rep question? Read this first.

Happy hunting!

@TeeJay: I merged your other (apology) thread here, to your last post. I hope you don't mind.

It takes a big man to apologize.

Apology accepted. No harm done...

Let's have some watch talk now.

No problems TeeJay.

Let's just agree that you had a bad hair day (pun intended).

Sorry, that was my misunderstanding. Following the comment by TT, I felt that I was being told that the admin staff considered me a troll fullstop, not just over this specific issue.

I think TwoTone posted an emotional response, because he felt attacked and offended... just like the rest of the admin team. But I can assure you, if I had to make the reply, it would have been even more emotional. That's probably the 10 years between me and him.

I don't think "troll" is the correct and fair word to describe you, but when you see someone posting anything negative about J&A, you act like a Pavlovian dog and always pour more gas on the fires.

It's not that people can't have different opinions, but I think it's safe to say that the membership is pretty much tired of the drama and the "Cartel threads"... the admin team included.

Everything has been said million times over and over.... and threads like that always mean more job for us. Members insulting eachother, members reporting other members' posts (to admin and mommy), members pm'ing us about other members, members offering their opinions in pm, etc.

The easy way out would be just always close the annoying threads, sweep the crap under the rug and ban the annoying posters. But that's not how we operate here... we believe in liberal atmosphere and free expression. But that doesn't mean we like people constantly making a mess and shitting on the carpet. Someone has to clean it up and sweep the floors... and like I said, we don't get any kind of compensation for that job. Definitely not from Joshua and Andrew, anyway...

I hope this makes sense to you, and I hope you can draw your own conclusions from it.

As I said above, feel free to close this thread, and even impose a ban on me.

What on earth makes you think that we're going to "ban" you? Take a virtual Kleenex here man... it's not going to happen.

While it was not my intention to write this thread to get myself kicked off, if that is the consequence, so be it. If I am viewed by people as a troll, then so be it, I will not waste any more of their time.

Don't misrepresent what I said... or twist my words around their meaning. I said your initial post looked like a troll... didn't say that your whole forum existence is a troll.

Don't try this "martyr game" with me... it's not going to work.

They might not having anything to do with RWG as a forum, but they are still relevent to the people here who are are all part of the community which these forums represent. As I said above, it was not my intention to cast any slurs or insinuations, my motive was as simple as I claimed it to be.

You know what TeeJay... I certainly didn't like the tone of your initial post. To me, it looked like a post that contained a lot of gossip and allegations... under "innocent" and pretentious tone... it reminded me of a classic Usenet troll where a person goes to alt.bible.prophecy and starts a "serious discussion" under the subject "What did Bible say about homosexuality?" I'm sure the thread is still going on there... someone started it in 1994.

That was the initial reaction of the whole team as well. And if someone even HINTS (indirectly or directly) that we take bribes or that "we're somehow financially or otherwise affected" by the dealers makes my skin crawl. You apparently don't know what kind of people our team consists of... if you knew, you would NEVER question our integrity in any shape or form. It's something that we're very proud of.

I know how passionately you have been posting against J&A in the past. Sometimes I have felt like you're a man obsessed. You simply can't be objective about this whole issue, you're too emotionally involved.

We, as moderators and admins, can't base our decisions on emotions. We want to avoid that like a plague... it's our job, and we try to be as professional as possible. Our aim is not to please everyone and we don't (AND WILL NOT) change our rules and principles on the run because another forum decides to do things differently.

the admins refuse to take any action which could actually protect the membership.

Try writing your sentence again. If you're honest to yourself, your apparently very self-centered self... you can admit that it should read:

the admins refuse to take the action I want.

Now I suggest you read TwoTone's reply again. It's all explained there... our whole approach to the whole thing. It's nothing dramatic, not something that you can create new conspiracy theories from... but it's all there.

People like me? Dirty gossip and 'allegations', I suggest you take a closer look at the screen shots which have been provided, and then take a long hard think about if they are actually 'dirty gossip and allegations', or, if they are actually legitimate.

Those "screen shots that have been provided" have nothing to do with RWG. I don't know why people feel like washing the dirty laundry of the other forums here? Because we believe in free expression of opinions (and liberal atmosphere) doesn't mean that we want to be the "Soap Central" of the Replica community.

All these things have been discussed in the admin room. We know what's happening, and we act accordingly (if needed). We always have.

Here's fingers crossed that T does view them as constructive, and be able to help me understand the situation better

2. Does the Cartel have any influence in the administration of this forum?

The only purpose of your post was to create useless drama and another 20-page debate. This is so transparent... you think we're complete idiots here?

I have worked for years for this community, and never received even one free watch for my work... I'm not saying that I should... but I find your post extremely offensive and insulting. How do you except us to "take" such gossip? I can read "between the lines" of your initial message perfectly. "Constructive"... don't make me laugh. After 20 years on the Internet I can recognize a troll when I see one.

The two review watches from Eurotimez... the TT Subs... I paid the 50 EUR shipment from my own pocket (to his customer). And boy, do I feel stupid sometimes... especially when people like you come up with gossip and allegations like this.

You have no class.

Enough said.

Many thanks being told it has had a replaement bezel and all sorts HaHa

Yep... here's a picture of that SMP before the mods:

Yes, that's a replica... and exceptionally bad one at that.

On another note. i do recall one time going into an AD. I slipped my sub into my pocket and proceeded to try on a gen.

And there was no "itch" to slip the gen into your pocket and replace the watches?

Looks Superb!

Can't wait to get my Euromariner! I doubt I'll go to such extremes with the mods though.

That's a real sharp TAG.

What's so cool in the Aquaracer is the edged bezel shape... for some reason I find it very attractive in the whole Aquaracer line. It looks very "modern" although it's very well balanced and classic looking at the same time.

My parents had two Irish setters, and the other one was 16 when he finally passed away. It was very tough moment, as I grew up with them.

My condolences too. Pets are nothing less than family members.

2k worth of reps in one shipment?