TeeJay

Ditto on the email address, it would be nice to catch up...

Congratulations indeed, I hope all goes smoothly and a great day is had by all

Apologies to US readers who will have no idea what this post is about..

TJ that so reminded me of "Only Fools & Horses" when Trigger gets given an award for using the same broom for 20 years..

Trigger: "This old broom has had 14 new 'andles, and 17 new 'eads.."

Del: "How the hell is it the same bloody broom then?"

To be fair, the mid-case, crystal, crown and tube are still original to when it was purchased

No surprise here, but it's my 6200 project watch... I bought it a couple of years ago from Silix, and, having sold off everything else in my collection, by default, it's the oldest piece... The original movement never gave me any grief till I clumsily damaged it, and if course, most of the major components have been replaced or modified, but, it holds the place of my oldest surviving rep

Indeed, nothing as disappointing as people without the common courtessy to just say 'thank you' for things like that, it just shows a real lack of regard and bad manners, sadly, it's an all too common scenario now

i can tell you exactly what watch it is bro

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Looks like a two tone Cartier Panther TJ.

Many thanks Not that I'm looking to source one, it was just always a scene in the movie which stuck in my mind, and I thought that now I knew a bit about watches, I'd see if I could identify any of the ones which were used (I guessed the Presidential DayDate on the far left )

Unless the watch was just serviced.

I do know what you mean though. But there are plenty of examples on those other (gen) sites of well-worn vintage pieces with pristine xtals. I guess it is up to the look you are after. For the most part, I tend to side with the worn insert/clean crystal crowd & I do not think it works against me

(these bezels/inserts/pearls are gen, as are the xtals (except for the 1665, which is Clarks))

I stand corrected

T, some day we need to have a serious talk about crystal abuse...

I know, it's a vicious cycle, and I need to step out of the circle

If you mean the 2nd from the right, it looks like a Cartier.

Yes, the second from the right, thanks

I love it I'm liking the welded lugs as well Nice to see something a little different from the norm

AArrrrrgh!!!!! Spare the crystal!!!! :Jumpy: :Jumpy: :Jumpy:

Noooo, the crystal needs some abuse The insert wouldn't wind up looking like that naturally without the crystal taking a few hits as well

sorry but it's not UPO

They didn't say that it was... I remember hearing about people going into an AD and asking to see a You Pee Oh and getting looked at like they were crazy

This was all I could get as a screen capture, but I'm referring to the square silver watch which Belushi selects from the box... Might I be right in thinking that it's a Cartier?

As above, very nice work A little scuffing on the crystal, and it'll be perfect

And if it doesn't, fill up the bath tub. Place Rolex insert in the tub. Plug in toaster. Turn on toaster. Stand back. Toss toaster in bathtub.

While wearing the watch to make sure it's readable under water, of course

Although I'm normally satisfied by factory lume and movements, I would agree with Dani, that an improvement in those things could only be an improvement on what there is now

Sorry to take us away from the OP, but just a quick follow up to TeeJay. Again this is all situational.

Trust me they are gens, I have spent enough time here and starring at macro shots. I know someone with genuine Picaso Paintings hanging on their wall. Walking into a high end AD/Jewler for them is like most people walking into Wal-Mart.

As to repercussions, let me just give you a couple of examples. Lets say you are a big corporate lawyer, or financial guy/broker. You sit across the table from lots of people everyday. To say all these people across from you are "ignorant" and won't spot a rep is naive. (I spot reps everyday because I am a WIS, my wife spots reps everyday, and she is NOT a WIS, go figure). That said, if the person across from you happens to know a thing or two about timepieces and spots it as a rep/fake-- do you really think that will reflect well on you? Could you imagine a customer loosing trust in you/a company because they spotted a fake? Would you risk loosing a $100,000 deal over a $200 vs $5000 watch? Heck, I would have more respect for a "frugal" business guy wearing a simple fashion plate watch like a Kenneth Cole. (While this scenario does not apply to me, do you see where I am going here?)

One more example, I have on occasion flown on the corporate jet with CEOs, CFOs, CIOs, etc. Close corners for a few hours at a time. What do you think a bunch of rich dudes talk about? (Business, Women, Cars, Booze, WATCHES, Cigars, Golf, Sports, etc). While they might not notice-- It is not worth the chance. In that particular circle, I don't want be know as the guy with the fake watches, simple as that. Maybe overlooked next promotion time? Thus, my gen collection.

I don't think it really takes away from the OP, after all, if someone actually needs a rep to be perceived as a gen, then that is part of their expectation of the watch

Those're interesting examples, and of course, in the circles you're talking about, if everyone has the funds for a gen collection, when the cost isn't so much a consideration, I can see how a rep might be looked down on, but I think it depends on the circles themselves. As mentioned, I know people who could easily afford gens, but wear reps, and also know people who wear gens, but are totally oblivious to the watch in terms of brand/horological value, they just got it as it was a nice watch. I guess what I was meaning, is kind of along this examples: If I was to attend a barbecue in 'higher circles', wearing khakis and a shirt, if I was to wear my 6200 project, which actually looks like it is 50 years old, I would not expect it to be noticed or commented upon, but, if I was to wear the exact same clothes, but with a brand spanking new Ceramic Sub/DSSD etc, I would not be surprised if that would attract more attention, and possibly be commented upon.

[Edit to add] I think it's one thing to have a gen or a passable rep as a necessary 'work watch', and quite another for someone to want 'the Best Sub' just to impress skanks in a bar

I remember the last time I purchased a new car, the salesman was wearing a two tone blue dial submariner that was totally rep. How did I know? Well, the gold on the genuine does not wear off of the mid links, maybe the clasp, but not all the way up the bracelet. This was at a Lincoln/Mercury dealership, so at first I thought it may have been gen. But even this brings up a good point. Did you all know that way back, Rolex did produce gold dress watches that were just "capped" and not solid? This was a lot like "gold filled" and a definate step up from just gold plating, but these older Rollies would often show the stainless on the back side of the watch and bracelet where (Google "gold capped Rolex to see many examples). So, if we were to see an older late '50s Rolex with some of the steel showing through, would we think it was an old rep? The bottom line, we are not all experts with these watches, we know a lot more than others, but there is still much to be learned and even noticing someones "apparent social status" is no guarantee that the watch they wear is real or not, its more a "feeling" that this person who owns that watch belongs wearing that watch.

I know exactly what you mean there, I'll never forget seeing a TT Sub when Emily and I were on a train heading out of London during the rushhour. The guy wearing it was the other side of middle-aged, and obviously worked in the city, all good signs that he would be in a position to afford the gen But, his suit and shoes looked like they had come from a charity shop. Not 'good old', where a pair of shoes gets nicely broken in, but 'bad old' where they look in need of replacing, and the suit hung like dishrags off him. To me, that suggested that the watch was more likely to be a rep than a gen... Another time, I was in a DVD store, when a guy was standing next to me and happened to be wearing one... He was only wearing jeans, polo-shirt and loafers, but despite being 'casual', those clothes looked good, so I was more inclined to believe that the watch was genuine... I'm not a big fan of gold (and can't wear it) but I do like how the blue TT sub looks I think you summed it up best yourself here:

Its you watch, wear it with pride, it belongs on your wrist!

+1

Whenever I see collections like that, I just think 'why'? I can understand someone having a wardrobe full of identical jeans and white t-shirts... New one every day, that's just good hygiene, but chosing between several identical watches? That's just a bit

Are you going to be the first to test that idea, TeeJay?

Well, just to make sure it works

Are we going to have to hook up the car battery...

If you take your time to read the information and shop around a bit, you could get 2 very satisfying watches for 500 dollars. Just my .02 cents

+1

As Ronin said here:

Since you used the words "perfect copy", I suggest reading this: http://www.rwgforum....pect-from-reps/

Unfortunately, there is no such thing.

500 will get you a very nice watch though

I know the mods excluded him from RG and RWI, perhaps it's time to get rid of him here too. Any mod up for the job? I think we've been patient enough.

He's been banned from here too, TT posted the announcement yesterday...

Really sorry to hear that things haven't been resolved...