By-Tor

That pic is hotlinked from the verbal's TZ link, and it's genuine (obviously).

Doesn't look like AR to me. Or then it's very light and one-sided, a'la UPO.

PS: Look at the date and day, both seriously misaligned and offcenter. (or then it's just the pic)

Yep... so we need to push the dealers to source this. I'm sure it's not a big deal for the factory to throw in the 21J movements and freeze the stopwatch hand and 2 subdials. But we have to remind them that this watch is interesting ONLY if the price tag is correct.

This has potential to become a good seller.

I want the white 2001 version. Hands down the nicest of them all:

http://www.perfectclones88.com/rlds10005-w...del-p-2990.html

No probs man. Happy hunting.

Yes, especially when there are no alternatives. You either buy a $300 POS, or have a $100 working "novelty item" with a reliable movement. I would buy one in a heartbeat. I'd love to have one modern Daytona in my collection, and the secs at '6 is out of question.

Look at the "By-Tor's Guide to Best Omega Replicas". It's in the Omega section as a "sticky", and also in my signature. Those manuals and reviews have been written just for that purpose... to guide people. The Omega Guide has all possible links to all possible information regarding these watches... including the "UPO Lite".

Why explain it again and again when the info is so easily accessible?

That's the UPO with Asian movement... called UPO "Lite". You can see it from the date font.

This forum section, the "Omega area" has a "sticky" review of the UPO (eta version). It explains everything.

They claim that the new gen version has AR. I seriously doubt the old one had... my guess is that the gen has one-sided AR.

It's very difficult to find anything else than factory pics of this watch.

I'm not sure if the AR is very strong, even on the genuine. Most TAGs have zero AR, take the Link Chrono for example.

Time to bump this old one.

I don't go to dealers' sites that much... but does anyone still offer the modern Daytona with non-functional stopwatch? Would like to see pictures of members' watches too (if anyone still have these).

I'd still love to buy one (if the visuals are good).

Brilliant review. Thanks for doing this for the membership.

The rep looks indeed quite good. Perhaps the best quartz rep yet?

Indeed. It's amazing.

I wish I had your skills.

Best is the Steelfish SuperOcean.

Most stunning... hmm, you get different answer from everyone. But for me it's the good old Seagull-Broad Arrow.

What do you mean you don't want to become a watchmaker? Of course you want. We need someone in EU to fix our toys.

Great work man!

Same as b16a2. It's been a Omega week so far.

Fresh wrist shot, even...

I think you got ripped. That's definitely not a gen insert.

But the watch is fantastic. If you enjoy the watch as it is, it's not a big deal at all... but if it starts to annoy you... get better insert from the seller I recommended. The colors are correct. Red is more yellow and the blue is lighter and shinier. Then fade it with the methods that our modders recommend... or keep it as it is. Lots of vintage gens have new aftermarket inserts.

But of course we can always just hope that these Ebay sellers are selling from the same stock they previously had. It's always a crap shoot.

Amazing, I love it. Great work.

However it has one annoying detail that bothers me. You know, I speak from experience... I've had that exact same insert. It's not authentic, just look at the "circle" between 8 and 10, it's seriously misaligned. Also the blue color is too dark... it's probably from a German Ebay seller who sells them for around $10.

I hope someone didn't sell that for you and claimed it's a gen insert.

Sorry to complain, no big deal really... the watch itself is amazing. But I got much better inserts from THIS Ebay seller. Just make sure you order the correct one (different sizes for vintage and modern).

King has the bracelet shots up:

http://www.cclv.net/

Check my Omega Guide. The certain version of Omega Costellation ETA was sensational.

Hey Mezzanine, this hobby is not just about buying new watches. We can always enjoy the great reps that we already have.

But I'm in the same boat... I'm not going to buy reps that cost more than $400. That won't stop me enjoying my old ones. My ETA Bond Seamaster rep is over 2 years old and I enjoy it just as much as the day I received it.

I think the whole AR issue has been exaggerated. Yeah, the double AR looks cool on a Steelfish, but I could live without it too. It's not a big deal to me. However I like the blue hue on the genuine PO... especially the orange version where it's much more apparent.

The only watch that really should benefit from AR is the TAG Link chrono, which is very reflective watch. Both gen and rep.

Wonder if that new seconds at '3 will be any better than the infamous '6 version. No thanks to another sloppy modification.

But I agree decent Monaco would be great. Not my style, but I'd be glad for all those members who have been dreaming about it. Autavia is another that falls into that same category (no suitable rep movement).

Hey Puggy, if you wear that PO on a leather strap you can always sell the useless rubber Bond strap to me.

I'm wearing the good old SMP. Never get tired of this watch.

I agree about the points you made about Link and BCE... and HBB too. Looks like the HBB is ridiculously overpriced. Good rep, yes, but according to Ziggy there's nothing that would make it "stand above" others... technically.

And I hear you about the Rolex being so popular and closely scrutinized. But once again: the best modern Rolex rep sports case is the 10 years old TW best/MBW case. There's absolutely no excuse for this. The sports Rolexes (Subs and GMT's) are NOT in the same level with the SFSO... they have fundamental flaws that the SFSO doesn't possess. The case and rehaut look SO wrong (save the TW case), it's almost sad. Those TW models have bad dials... and modding a decent modern Rolex costs a ton.

The black ExpII with correct hand stack (the rare rep version that bklm has) might be close to SFSO accuracy out of box, but none of the others (imho). Not even close... and a $100 Noobmariner still takes the cake of being the "best compromise". Sad.

@mezzanine: You nailed it. Well said.

But one thing: when people complain about the increased prices we have to remember that some reps are in completely different level, accuracy wise... compared what we got 2 years ago. UPO is virtually perfect, save the lack of front AR. TAG Link has some minor dial inaccuracies, mainly hour markers that aren't 100% aligned (loupe stuff). And then we got the Steelfish, BCE, Cousteau, etc. etc.

I don't have first-hand experience of the BCE, but the Steelfish is just amazing. No, it's holy-f**king-s*hit-amazing. While the price ratio between rep/gen isn't great, it's still 5 times cheaper than the genuine... and visually and technically "almost" the same watch (save the lack of QC). You have to be completely paranoid if you think someone would ever "call you out" on that watch.

About those Rolex reps... I have a feeling that something is happening with the Rolexes soon. Dealers are still introducing new and absolutely CRAP models of them... but like that old thread stated the membership isn't buying that medicore stuff anymore. I find that WM9 16610 WIP interesting. It's certain that the factory isn't doing that for George exclusively. Don't waste your money... and wait.

I think the new standard of "super reps" have changed us (as buyers) too. We are much more demanding than before. Now that I look back at some of my old reviews... if I had to write them again and "update" them, they would be way more critical and negative. Take my CN GMT Master II for example... it was a fine rep back then (2+ years ago), but if that watch came out today, the membership (including me) would trash it. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice and good quality rep, but now it has to be compared against the likes of SFSO and Cousteau. Joshua and Andrew are still selling that model for a premium. I guess that base rep model is at least 3-4 years old, which of course makes the comparison a bit unfair.

Same with the old Serie Speciale Navitimer writeup I once wrote. That kind of inaccuracies were the "standard" back then... not long ago actually... maybe a year and a half ago or so. Part of the hobby was just to accept those flaws. Things have changed fast... members' attitudes too.

Personally, I'm not complaining about small price increases if the general quality and accuracy keeps improving. But trying to sell [censored] for a premium isn't going to work anymore. At least not here in the forums.

I don't see this community being in any kind of crisis, especially when the reps that keep coming are visually better than ever. What people should do is to just stop buying from the f*cking dropshippers. Or at least stop complaining about the constant QC problems if they buy from them. How difficult this is to understand, I wonder... buying from trusted members is much better alternative, even. If the watch has a few scratches here and there from a regular wear, so what... most problems in reps appear almost immediately after the purchase, and if a member has used the watch for a few weeks (or months) the watch is most likely going to survive the next several years without any major problems too. A few weeks/months use by a member...that's your QC there. Just stick with the trusted guys and seasoned members, and you'll be fine. I haven't done even ONE member trade that hasn't been satisfactory.

PS: About that "Super Sea Dweller". I'm not convinced at all. I haven't seen decent pics of the watch, but it has absolutely laughable winding crown for starters. I'm pretty sure they'll f*ck up the casework and crystal/rehaut too... it looked conical and ugly in the pics. It could be just the pics though, the jury is still out on that. I tried to post to both of those wip threads (that Richard Brown started) at RWI and TRC... and offer Angus some advice and request for better shots, but he has completely ignored both threads. Don't hold your breath.