Victoria

What I wanted to say was, that I do like a female seal warrior with a big watch, maybe with a hint of healthy envy.

Heh. Non-aggressive frankness, Wjlamp. You practise it well.

But I am ,"go out and STAY out ", for a man to try feminine accessories like perfumes and jewelery,and feeling good in doing so.

Mind you I am not some kind of racist or finger pointer,accusing human nature. Just a matter of- wrong or right- taste.

No, no. We all have our standards, of course.

Let me just say that in the West, as everyone knows, it's easier for a woman to appropriate the masculine, than for a man to appropriate the feminine. The reason why I already have said above in the thread.

That's life, baby.

P.S.: They stole a ring from my luggage in that Hotel room, so there are worse things to be worried about there, than clerks wearing Chanel No. 5!

So I admit I'm curious then as to why you started this thread in the first place, with its questioning title. Seeking reassurance? Curious as to attitudes out there? Why do you care? You shouldn't. YOU like wearing Panerai. That should be enough.

1) Because I've never heard the topic discussed SERIOUSLY here. Just with women in bathtubs with Panerais on their bumcracks and between their nipples.

2) Because I wanted to show people that pink straps and Fiddies are hideous. If any lady wears them, they are dishonouring the history, the purpose, and the beauty of this marque by so doing.

Reason 1 is the most important. Reason 2 was self-evident but sometimes even self-evident things need to be said.

Apologies then for straying 'off topic', I thought it an interesting tangent - tell you what, let's just get back to sticking resolutely on-topic and have multiple posts saying "yeah big watches on chicks look cooool".

What, what now? This after I gave you the longest reply where I mentioned FRIKKIN ARISTOTLE as one of my supporting points, mais non, DBR! Don't throw this on my lap.

We're talking. You made a point, I countered, that's it.

For the record, I think you like feminine girls who wear shiny pink Swatches and blingy Tag Heuers.

I wear shiny pink Swatches, and blingy Tag Heuers, but not exclusively. Like many women, I like wearing what I like, without seeking the approval of people around me, some of them males. Even more than that, I do so for my own pleasure, not anyone else's. I would bet you that 99% of women are like this, though let's not forget that .sig with Vic Reeves' quote on stats.

Further, it's interesting that of all the Risti women on the gen forum, not an one of them is unmarried, even Amanda.

It seems they get into PAM on their own, already married, or as part of their husband's hobby.

I'm fairly sure they are not masculine, seen as masculine, Pussy Galores or Madonna wannabes, as well as seeking the attention of men within the forum. How about outside the forum? Dunno. But I think not either.

In short, women like Panerai watches more than Breitlings, Bell & Rosses, Rolex Submariners, and any slew of consciously "male" watches because it's a graceful timepiece, which is chameleon-like.

Now, please note, this is not FACT, this is my opinion. But I'll stand by it.

I just woke up - and it's clear that it's that time you went to bed.

Not until my Chinese collector "friend" gives me confirmation of the funds I need to send to him (my God, when will my addiction END?).

I'll be quite interested in seeing which one of us has read his post correctly, Miss V.

Actually, I'm praying I'm correct...and not out of one-manship to you...I'm sure you get my drift.

Anyway, the reply was almost tepid compared to the ideas floating around RWI about penis removal. Not Klink's, I'd like to make plain.

I bought last week a SFSO of which I am extremely proud and happy. My selection was made thanks to the research I did in this forum, and there seemed to be an overwhelming majority which agreed that the SuperOcean was the best super-rep... Or if you want, the most accurate, high-quality and undetectable of the replicas around.

Following such criteria which do you think should be my next two choices?

Being a fellow newbie, I urge you to re-edit this post and make it into a poll. Give some people ideas of what you like, like Noobmariners, PAMs, IWCs, etc. Make one of the criteria "Other". Believe me, you will get more interest that way.

Good luck!

It is a fact that Hitler was on the short list for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1939 - despite the fact that there were other informed individuals who kne exactly how he got to where he was, what he really was and what his plans were for the rest of the world.

Ryyannon, I don't think CBR was being serious. Come on now. Adjust the Sarcasm Metre (and remind ME when I need to, too!).

Saw this posted on one of the other forums and thought there would be interest here.

LOL! I guess Being John Malkovitch these days, means taking bit parts in fancy watch adverts.

And why do I think that mini-film was kind of an analogy of my participation on RWG...I even have the same stockings.

(But short fair hair, and can't fly. Sorry boys)

Is that bigger or the same size as my brietling cso? where can I get some nice pam straps? sites? vendors? Do the straps from panatime come with panerai written on the buckle?

just got this strap from panatime...black croco leather http://store.panatime.com/24crgele11wi.html

Ooh, not Panatime.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure there are some nice straps there, and guess what!, I bought with them first of all before finding this forum section. The owner is really nice too.

But they're like getting a Yugo when you can get a Rolls-Royce.

I'm not saying that just to say. Look, in my "PAM at the Beach" post:

FOR STRAP IDEAS RIGHT NOW:

http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=50823

Read the second paragraph. This 50% offer ends IN 4 HOURS. So if you want a Mario Paci, GeF and others, hurry. It's an $100 savings, at the very least.

CORRECTION: MIDNIGHT TEXAS TIME. CET.

(Got the La Spezia Cognac, and Chestnut Croc, TeeJay!)

In fact, I'm actually here on RWG, just in case anyone PMs me with last minute "can't decide on which strap" PMs. Happened last time!

Most people in his shoes follow my mother's advice, which is, "if the other guy is so low that he feels he needs to (attack, belittle, etc) you, why stoop to his level? You're the one up top."

*cringe*

Was I the only one who winced reading this? Why do people act like this, really?

Well, Defacto, thanks for your apposite anecdote.

As you know, the season is beginning in Palm Beach, and yet again, I shall be flung amongst these types of high-achievers, not all of them American either -- there are boku foreigners in power in that area, for every Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Anthony Shriver which lives there.

We'll see who and how I can put in their place, as elegantly as your chum did.

To bring this a little back on topic, my paternal grandfather was a WWII vet, like so many of our grandpas here were.

Only he had the rare honour of having served under two Scots, two memorable soldiers of the highest renown, as part of the General Staff, both as a subaltern in WWI, and later as a colonel in WWII.

One, General Sir Douglas Haig, wearing his wristwatch (in 1916, unusual for a man):

The other, Field Marshal Lord Montgomery, wearing his wristwatch (looks plain Jane to me):

The former was the ultimate commander of the BEF -- and according to my granddad, a more gentle, chivalrous gentleman you cannot have imagined. He didn't stand on ceremony, and projected a soft but commanding aura about him.

The latter was a grade-A a-hole of the highest category. His vanity, his arrogance, his cruelty towards his subordinates was acute. When I asked, all my grandfather could muster without becoming apoplectic was:

"He was a bloody cheat at tennis" (snort)

And real gentlemen don't cheat, of course.

Guess which one of the two has gone down the history pages as a famous hero? Guess which one was sacked, and called an incompetent?

Life isn't fair, I know. But talent shouldn't be reason enough for life to reward such people.

Ah well.

Sure, but that's kind of like saying you like air, or water -- it's such a given [to me, at least] that men like women's bodies that it hardly seems a distinguishing personality characteristic.

If you believe Kinsey, at least 10% of all males are gay. I'm guessing the guys who place slinky females in their avatars are making damn sure no one thinks they're part of the 10%. *g*

By the way, I like parrots that wear sunglasses.

lol

Actually he is a Japanese comedian called 'Okamura Takashi'

When i lived in japan i saw him on TV quite often, very funny

Wow, seriously. And I've lived in both Germany and Japan! Could've sworn it was Herbig.

Actually quite a relevant point

Only if one believes women who wear men's watches are inclined towards bisexuality or lesbianism, even subconsciously.

In this forum alone, you have a straight girl who wears Panerai watches. And a lesbian girl who wears Panerai watches.

Mind you, a girl did try to kiss me in the age old practise known as "lifting" at my boarding school, but I ducked. If memory serves, I was wearing my Mickey Mouse at the time.

Confidence, not sexuality, is the key to wearing big watches.

The question I always ask is, if an avatar is meant to represent you in some way, what exactly do the sexpot avatars really say?

That men like women's bodies?

...I'll put this out there, though I know a lot of members may be offended because it hits close to home. The ONLY time I have anything approaching a problem with sexy avatars, is when I find out it's their girlfriend's boobs, bottoms, jiggly form, etc. That is a little sleazy. Yeah, even if it's just that they are proud.

But I don't think we could imagine our dads doing that about our mums, can you?

I think it is a german comedian called "Bully"

He's a famous TV sketch artist, and I was hoping people would have mentioned him in that thread of mine!

BTW, have any of you watched the Romy Schneider trilogy on the Empress of Austria -- "Sissi"? Take Sound of Music, and treble that in America, to get a sense of its cultural importance -- it's a staple at the holidays, and even Castro allows it to be shown in Christmas, in Cuba. There is a Sissi fan club in Havana!

Anyway, Michael Herbig (yes "Bully") is coming out with a hilarious ripoff of the series: an animated film called "Lissi und der Wilde Kaiser" -- out this October.

I CANNOT WAIT.

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So friends any more recommendations for straps for the fiddy? Thanks.

May I also recommend Greg Stevens straps? If you go to Risti Accessories corner, you might "Search" for his name, and a boatload of straps will pop up. New, they start at $150, but used $80-100.

The Crazy Horse in black stitch and his Naturale are both excellent for the Fiddy!

@EVERYONE: The 50% discount ends tonight, midnight, Texas time. Hurry...in fact, haven't ordered mine yet!

I've also discovered after several MP straps, the holes are in the wrong place for me, I'm in between holes.

First, thanks for clarifying, and it's good to know you're looking out for us, Willith. I'll bear what you said in mind, personally.

I just like the Paci/GeF/Toscana straps too much, and I have little to do with anything else.

In-between holes is tough. Never had that problem with TC straps. But I often get straps with a long tail, and the first hole is much much below where I could wear my strap comfortably. So I bought a $12 leather hole punch on *Bay. Yes, it's nerve-wracking to try to punch a hole on a $200+ strap, but it's better than letting them go to waste.

Thanks again, Willith!

Yeah, but when someone who was famous decades ago passes away at 84, it's hardly devastating news. He had a good life, achieved all his goals and made it into his 80s, iconic, rich and famous.

Hehe. I laughed too, Pugwash, don't worry. And I'm very sentimental about people dying.

Oh, and his movie quotes page is funny.

"The great mime Marcel Marceau had speaking roles in some motion pictures ... and this exclusive chart painstakingly lists the best of his film quotations."

Who said it was feminists?

Ah, no. I meant if someone had specifically mentioned "exploitation" in their PMs to Admin.

Not the general topic of provocative avatars, which I agreed people in workplaces have more right to complain, without being thought of as either repressed or controlling.

Now, I don't mind the occasional heaving bosom, it has been noted, but when it starts getting out of hand, it cheapens the place. It's like Broken Windows, in my opinion.

Thanks for the reading tip! I will check that book out. It's just up my alley, taste-wise.

The thing that I actually find funniest is that these guys want to be seen as sexy women. I don't have a problem with that, but you have to admit it's funny.

We know what you're trying to do, Mr. Pugwash, and I'm here to tell you, it won't work. So there!

Some cream perhaps?

BE VERY CAREFUL...but Highflyingclive himself recommended Lord Sheraton's leather conditioner to me.

Read more here:

http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...67&hl=stain

I got it from an UK vendor at Fleecebay. Dead cheap, less than $7.

My horror story after I applied another product to my Metta Catherina:

http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...0&hl=metta:

Keep your eyes peeled gents, a little birdy told me that something I've been itching to get back in my hands is, finally, on its way. It should arrive the 24th or 25th.

This is how we do FedEx in Alaska... dogsleds just don't happen overnight.

Come on. It's only September! That's t-shirt weather in Canada, so surely also Alaska.

Pictures to follow! I think it will be worth the wait.

"Neither snow, nor rain, nor heat, nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds." (att. Herodotus, c. 400 BC)

My favorite comment is also about said avatar:

I see Ms. Barret in this thread. No offence intended.

OMG! Do people not read my comments on this. Sniff, sniff.

I don't care! I like those avatars, and I find it RIDICULOUS that people would complain about grown men wanting to see pretty females in theirs.

Okay, there are some issues regarding nudity, and the workplace. I understand that. But I sure hope no one complained about "exploitation" of females in their notices to Admin to censure the racy ones.

God, I hate feminists. They take the fun out of life.

EDIT: In my haste, I forgot to thank JFreeman for his thoughtfulness towards me. Thanks! No worries on my account though.

Personally I thought he died at every appearance

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(Yes, I laughed. Poor Marcel)

People from "Anglo-Saxon" cultures just don't get mimes, and moreover every grown British, American, Canadian, Australian and Kiwi man seems want to kick the snot out of mimes.

It's like they stand for all the effete intellectual, conceptual, commedia dell'arte traditions which make the French so ridiculed by us.

And I bet you the French loved Benny Hill too.

When asked for comments, his students said "..."

This was supposed to be a silent thread!

Poor Marcel Marceau. Just tried to give the world a little pleasure, and I bet you he will be the butt of jokes when his death is announced to people all over the world.

I went up to my dad and said, "Marcel Marceau died last night".

Do you know his reaction? Silence. He just put two hands on top of his head, as in "The roof is on fire" gesture, and made a funny face as he kept pushing and touching the sides of the air.

That would be Marcel Marceau in his new "box".

No disrespect, but I'm not going to validate the success of an athlete based on the fact that they're an A-hole. They built their success on their own determination to win, whether or not they're a d*ck about it is their own problem.

Agreed 100%. The point I was making is that the most elite people, I used athletes as an example, can be incredible a-holes.

It goes without saying that I myself find that discomfitting. I don't believe in the fairy tales of my childhood, where all the good characters have a fine life, and the bad ones die a cruel, horrible, but fitting end. I'm more mature than that.

But perhaps a tiny part of me is aghast at how unbearable people are often the ones who most succeed in life. That they lead a life of inner turmoil, driven on perhaps by demons which we will never be aware, seems poor "recompense" for their outward behaviour.

What I'm saying is that the truly successful do not feel a need to BRAG about their achievements.

You respectfully disagreed with me, Defacto, but I am going to have to do the same with you.

That has not been my experience in all the elite environments I have lived in, and with the TOP people I've observed.

It could well be my bad luck meeting the wrong types, but for every Nelson Mandela I have met (kind, noble, transcending time and place, and all human pettiness), I have met a Gordon Brown, bitter, chip-on-shoulder numpty, and a braggart to boot.

(How did I meet this people? It's easy. It's to do with my University background. That's all I'll reveal here)

Again, I know what you are saying, of course I follow the exact same precepts in life that you do, "iron fist in golden glove" -- LOVE IT! BTW.

Successful people come in all kinds. I like to think I am successful. You are too, by the sounds of it. My point was that THE MOST successful people are not ashamed of tooting their own horn, and riding roughshod over others in the process.

What say you?