TeeJay

Yes, it is a fine beer and cheap too I drank many of them!

Cheap is good when it comes to beer I'm not too sure how it rates price wise here, as I haven't compared it in a while, but it's definitely one of my favorites

Thanks guys. We just got back from our honeymoon yesterday. We were at a small resort about an hour south of Cancun. The beach behind the watch is where the Corona beer commercials are filmed It was beautiful! I only took one watch with me ... sorry about that.

It looks amazing, and Sol is a fine beer I hope you both had a fantastic time

For the sake of debate TJ.... I believe the item in question is by all accounts 'counterfeited' therefore making it not only illegal but misrepresenting the very brands that the AD's are "authorized" to "protect" ...

I am sure the Corporate entities that govern these policies have directed the representatives of their brands to dispense with any items that "misrepresent" their own..

I think the fact that the watch is illegally manufactured, and is considered contraband in most Country's would take precedent over the fact that it is personal property of any person walking into an AD.

I would equate it to walking into a Bank with a counterfeit bill and having it confiscated ..

In other words the "Crime has already been perpetrated when the counterfeit was made,.. and was compounded when it was "sold".. weather knowingly or unknowingly it was sold to "represent" the genuine article.

imo.. there is just black and white in this scenario.. no gray area

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As a debate topic, I can completely see that side to it, as after all, it is contraband, and infringes intellectual property, I'd just be interested to find out at what level the corporate rights, would supersede the individual's right to 'continue to own' the item which they were already in possession of...

Of course, if one was walking into a bank with a counterfeit bill in China, it would just get put in the 'for the tourists' tray

I hate the book, but the wife is addicted. She yelled at me because it was acting up. She thought it was our network. Anyway, long story short, fb has been having issues, mostly in IE, mostly error loading items, some login issues. Seems to be addressed, but with such a following you never know what will happen, and I am personally not surprised when it's not working perfectly.

I mostly use it to stay in touch with my cousins, and friends in Japan, but it's quite useful for staying in touch with friends locally for arranging stuff. Makes for a good business networking tool as well, I've found The chat function has been acting up for 2-3 weeks, so it could be that their servers were creaking under the strain, and finally gave out today... Not to sure, but it seems to be up and running again now

Back to the topic at hand, I agree with Lani. There is no need to wear a rep into an AD.

When I went to Vegas, I wore my WM9 sub and my Rocket Dial Cartier. The first day, when I was wearing the submariner, I took it off, put it in my back pocket and walked into the Rolex AD at the Wynn. The sales man there was phenomenal! He was very courteous and generous with his time. He would show me anything I asked to see and try on. He even pulled out the new stock that had just arrived so he could show me the newest white gold daytona with the grey dial. It was beautiful. I also took a good long look at the SS submariner. Checking the usual items so that when I left the store later on I could compare my sub and see what the flaws were.

The next day, I went to the Cartier dealer and had a look at the Santos 100 they had on display. This time, I wasn't even talked to by a sales rep. They just ignored me. Same was true later that day when I went to Tourneau's at Caesar's Palace. They just completely ignored me.

I guess I have two points with my ramblings:

1) I would never ever wear a rep into an AD. To me that is just way too cocky, as if you are baiting the sales rep to see if they are smart enough to find you out.

2) Not all sales reps are pushy and/or needy for that next big sale. The rolex salesman probably sells more than enough watches a day that he can take his time with each and every customer. My theory is, you never know who you are dealing with. Ever. Every person that walks into that store is a potential customer and, especially in Vegas, could come back later with a wad of cash from winning big at the craps table and drop a pile of cash on a watch (or whatever). Everyone should be treated as a potential buyer.

Just my 0.02 (or $2.00)

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Sounds like those builders were about to super size his azz

Yeah, it was a crazy situation to be witnessing, as the kid was standing to one side, not even at a register, and when they asked why he couldn't take their order, he explained that it was his first day, and he hadn't been trained yet, but was waiting for someone... They then asked what time he finished. I think not quite understanding, he said what time Macshack closed, to which they replied "We'll be back then to do you over!" The kid looked like he was about to shit himself, and for some strange reason, I never saw him working there after that... I've seen my fair share of awkward customers over the years, but never anything so totally unreasonable. Even if they were joking, it wasn't cool to do something like that to a trainee...

I agree that wearing a rep into a AD Is bad form and should be avoided at all cost. That being said, no one has the right to take what Is legally yours. They can ask you to leave even escort you to the door and ask you not to return. But to take something that does not belong to them Is stealing In my book. Mike

That's absolutely my sentiments as well. The time I forgot to take my watch off, I was actually holding the groceries with that hand, and nothing was said, but it's not the sort of thing I'd do intentionally.

Seems to be back up now... Very strange. I tried three different machines, and none could log on (or in the case of the PCs, even locate the site ) I guess someone forgot to pay the bills this month

Well it really depends on my sources, for some are easy to get some are NOT... so as a general rule I'm not in the business of selling spare parts. We can get bezel-inserts easiely tho. But dials are a bit tricky... as factories just dont support us dealers, and give a very hard time to give it to us when they do. It is in short a hassle and usualy the client dont wan to pay much, so it not even profitable for us as well.

However if you're a veteran or outstanding member I sometimes go out of my way to get if for you dispite the effort. So ask us, it can't hurt to ask..

Thanks, that's much appreciated, when I have the spare cash, I'll have to put together a shopping list and see what might be possible

Well and truly off-topic, but I just wondered if anyone else has had trouble accessing Facebook? I haven't been able to get my PC to load the site all day, the iPhone app worked up until a few hours back, whereupon it started informing me it there was a 'connection error', and now won't log in, and on top of all that, just typing 'Facebook' into google, the site link just comes up with a server error (as does attempts to google search my friends) Anyone else experiencing this?

Unless you are attempting to defraud them out of goods or money with it, an AD cannot confiscate/take/steal your rep/franken just because you wear it into their store. In the rare case that an employee identifies it as non-gen, they may ask you to leave or give you a (well deserved) dirty look, but that is all they can do.

Absolutely. That's what galls me to hear about ADs confiscating watches. I wonder how many actually get destroyed, or if the AD decides which ones they like the look of...

If you contact us, I still have alot of noobmariner cases, Submariner 16610, very classic watch, watch case... with movemenet holder. Unworn, new, saphire crystal, 316L full stainless steel... for 30 usd (excl shipping), they're also good for swimming (you gotta test this yourself, but they're made and have all the rubbers in place to be able to swim with it)

E-mail us in the signature below.

That's an awesome price, and something I'll probably look into at a later date for project builds. I was just wondering, would you ever sell individual parts, such as dials, bracelet clasps, bezel inserts etc?

Indeed Teejay, there are some crazy mofo out there. Just pick up the news paper, any news paper(do they still make those) and you will probably fine some crazy sob fliping out and doing something really stupid, road rage etc. It's probably a good thing that you dont drive, safer that way Mike

You're right there, always someone freaking out about something on the roads And not that I'd really approve of someone getting medieval at retail staff (I once saw some builders threatening to do over a McTrainee on his first day as he couldn't take their order that was Effed up...) but some snoot AD thinking they had the right to seize a rep, then getting their ass handed to them... That might well be worth the price of admission

Holy F, that is a nice Beautiful Artwork! Wow Nice Pics TeeJAY!!! I love the 3rd pic, it's cool... how did you do that?

Thanks, that's much appreciated Nothing special involved, just a

It would go probably something like this "give me my bloody f%$#in watch back ah" or something to that effect. I have never worn my rep Into a Ad store. I dont really like to draw attention to my reps good or bad, I like to stay under the proverbial radar, If all possable Mike

Yeah, probably nothing too extreme, but, as mentioned above, there's always that one customer who might flip out and make things interesting As you say though, best to try and stay below the radar

Not quite a wrist shot...

I felt inspired to take these pics

The only condensation, was external, not internal. No leaks at all, and that's a

Absolutely, it's all about 'static pressures' and the actual pressure on the watch from the movement of the watch through the water

Not disagreeing with you. Just telling you what I have seen. It happens and will continue to happen. As it has been written on this thread, we should not be walking into AD's with our Reps. on. I feel most members here are smart enough to avoid these situations. At the same time I think there are many people out there that own reps and do not know any better. They think they are fooling everyone. These are the people that walking into AD's thinking they are going to fool them, (regardless if they are attempting to defraud or by a Gen piece) and get their pieces confiscated. These are the ones that are unknowledgeable, and more then likely clueless if the AD is within their legal rights or not. For the most part, they feel "Oh sh!t I just got busted", feel so uneasy about getting called out that they panic and walk away. If you put up a fight in the store I am sure the AD would return your property without scene and kindly request you do not return with it. Again, I am yet to see this happen as everyone I have seen, does a about face and walks out the door.

Ronin was just giving everyone a heads up and I spoke of my personal experience. Regardless of it being wrong or right in someone's eyes, there is no point in debating it as it happens and we can only do our part to make sure our hard earned property is protect.

I agree, there's a lot of general ignorance out there. The times I have had a rep on when going into an AD (which is now any time, as I don't wear anything but my reps now) as a last minute decision to look at another watch, I have always put it in my pocket rather than on the counter. Most times when I went into ADs to buy a watch, I simply wouldn't wear my old watch at all during the shopping trip, so I could put the new watch on straight away. As Lani mentioned above, it's just courtessy. On one occasion, I went into an AD to order a strap buckle, and, carrying a bag of groceries, and forgot to take my watch off. (I think it was a Planet Ocean, I forget) They might have seen it, but they never made any comment at all about it, nor treated me any different to any other customer... One thing's for sure, I'd love to be a fly on the wall the day a rep owner objects to an AD trying to confiscate their watch

It really depends on the watch you are ordering, some watches are "made" to be water-resistant, like the Noobmariners, some panerai's, some other Rolex watches... the Omega Planet Ocean, they are def water-resistant.

When I say "made" to be water-resistant means that they have all the specs (rubbers / gaskets) in place to be water-resistant (for swimming) and often are... however each watch/rep needs to get tested individually. The reason behind it is, as some have stated above is the QC. The factories (who sell them mass) don't really care, they just want to sell, and neither the low-paid people who assemble them care, so if they misplace a gaskets (as it's all handwork assembly) then water-will-seep in.

That is why there is dust in the dial at times or other problems when your watch arrives, or sometimes days, weeks, or months after. Some are really hard to QC as no-dealer (unless they become manufacturer) is involved in the process of assembly line, so that is why we movement and water-resistance etc you got to test on individual basis.

I personally don't want to take responsiblity with people swimming with their watches so they have to test it themselves if they wish to swim with it. (as I can never know what they do when they swim with it -e.g forget to screw the crown in). We can test it if swimable but the risk lies ultimately with you.

If you want to know more which ones are "made" for swimming then you can e-mail us, or otherwise ask the forums.

There are also ALOT of watches which are Known Not to be swimmable, too many ways of water to enter in and costly to keep it out. Besides there some GEN watches costing over 10k usd that are only 30m water-resistant (meaning you can get it splashed but it's not made for swimming)... as they're for wear not a diving tool.

The reason why it's not swimable is the same reason why the Rep DSSD cannot dive like it says on the dial xxxx feet, (the gen of course "can"), the reason is REPMARKERS DON'T CARE! It's not going to get them more or less profit if it can dive 100meter or 1000meters, so for people like you and me it may seem important but to the one creating them it's just a bonus. Besides of the % of their buyers (not just forum members) how many actually do swim with their reps?

I personally swim and dive with my UPO (till like 10-20 meters) and it's great. Some watches you can modify to have it extra sealed. It of course also helps to have it silicon greased etc, which we do offer as a service.

Thanks for the contribution I'd be very interested to see if a DSSD rep could be made to withstand the pressures which the gen is rated to, as much as an academic exercise as anything else. As you say, it's all down to the way the watch is built at the factory, or, if it then gets additionally QCd. As my above post showed, the majority of the reps I have bought (bar one) were water-resistant out of the box. The one which wasn't, was swapped for an identical replacement, which was water resistant.

Some of my watches would not get wet often (such as PAMs on leather straps) and I don't like getting my Tudor project sub wet, as the NATO strap takes two hours to dry at room temperature, but I know that the watch itself is water-resistant, as it has been both submerged and held under a faucet on full flow, and I know that the PAMs I had were water-resistant. Not sure what the pressure would be from such a flow, but I'm guessing considerably more than a simple submersion in a bathtub

I can't say I've ever found it a problem...

I live in the States. It is not illegal to own Reps, just illegal to sell them as it is copyright infringement, whether as a dealer or individual. A good friend of mine is partners in a firm, that among other things, represents a few local jewelry stores. When I got into this hobby I asked him,

At an AD in Houston, I saw one of the sales people at the store wearing a fake Breitling Bentley. Had a crappy tourbillon and everything. They did not carry the Breitling line.

I saw a guy working behind a bar wearing one of those last year who clearly thought it made him King Pimp All 'wrist shakes' to get it noticed, I think he'd seen Cocktail one too many times

As above, that AD wants to take a long hard think about relieving people of their legally owned property...

I was just looking back through the photos, and rather liked the one of the 1655 on a Jubilee bracelet Custom

Absolutely awesome watches Thanks for posting the link