TeeJay

Beliefs? You don't get atheism. It's not a faith.

I as a person who intellectually understands there is no God can accept, in a spiritual way, that there may be something out there. I just won't apply the same rules to it. I know there is no God.

As an Atheist, I'm not trying to convert anyone, but when presented with someone trying to wedge religion into everyday life, I will get defensive. Most religion states that you have to convert people around you. You don't get door-to-door atheists, or soap-box atheists in the town square.

But how do you know that?

He might not have spoken to you yet, but He will, when the time is right. As someone who lived their life until recently as an Athiest, I know how hard that can be to accept, but that's just the way it is. God works in mysterious ways...

I don't think so ... you have no clue as to my faith and what I believe except through the words of my signature ...

From your previous comments, I presumed that you were a Catholic, my apologies if that was an incorrect judgement. If you are not a Catholic/Christian, why the moral indignation on their behalf, for what was on my part, no more than poorly expressed tone. You perceived intollerance in that, but that does not make it so. I am not an intollerant person, you, on the other hand, rather appear to be.

I do not have qualifications

You previously took great pleasure in slapping your educational achievements in this thread, in a vain attempt to appeal to authority. Have the grace not to deny it.

The things you think are facts are interpretations of event by others.

No, they are facts. You go on to state them yourself. I won't re-quote it, your post is sufficient.

In order to understand the Council of Nicea we need to understand Constantine 1 and what took place.

Absolutely so.

In 312 AD, Constantine claimed he had a vision from God, he saw a flaming cross in the sky, and the words emblazoned across the Cross "in this sign conquer".

And it could be, that he did receive a vision from God. It could be, that God intended Constantine to be one of His messengers, but, his later actions, possibly removed him from God's favor, which could be why Muhammad, peace be upon him, received his calling, after the actions of Constantine and the Council of Nicaea. As I mentioned previously, Muhammad, peace be upon him, was not founding a new religion, he was restoring the original one. It could be argued, that he was correcting the actions taken by Constantine.

Now to the claim that the Trinity doctrine was invented by the Catholic Church at the council of Nicaea in the 4th century. History has a different story. Its been said if one tells a lie long enough, and hard enough, people will begin to believe it. This is revisionist history. There was a clash within the two differing sects of Christianity at least 50 years before the Nicene Council and they only differed on how Jesus was God though both agreed he was God. What was debated at the Council of Nicene was whether Christ was a being created by God which one group promoted, or that he was the same substance as God considering that he was God as proposed by the other sect. The issue of the Divinity of Jesus was not what was dealt with at the Nicene Council as that was accepted by all. This was never an issue. Jesus Divinity as God and of the substance of God was affirmed as was Giod the Trinity. Hence the Nicene Creed .. "I believe in on God the Father Almighty creator of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, Begotten of the Father before all time, .....And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and the giver of life, that proceeds from the Father, who with the Father and Son is worshiped together and glorified together, ...."

So there you have another interpretation of what the Nicene Council represents to Christianity.... Unity. Nothing more. It is this unity that allowed the Church to grow. It would ultimately splinter again into many sects later on when thinkers began to question the behavior of the leaders of the Church. At no time has the Divinity of Jesus been questioned or his message corrupted.

Without going into too much depth on those points, Christianity, in it's spread, took concepts from other religions, mostly, in attempts to gain converts, hence the dates of the festivals Christians currently celebrate, which would coincide perfectly with Pagan festivals, were it not for differences between calander systems.

Your point about modern day Christianity having corrupted the message of Jesus is nonsense.

That was not what I said. I said, modern day Christianity is a corruption of Jesus' message, (because of Constantine and the Council of Nicaea) not that it does currently corrupt Jesus' message. There is quite a difference in what I said, and what you are suggesting I said.

Along with being intolerant and mean spirited toward other Religions you are ignorant about what you are speaking about as you clearly have not done any research on your own about the Council of Nicea and what followed for Christianity.

If I was ignorant about the subject, I would not be able to discuss it in this depth. Do not discount my position as 'ignorant', simply because it does not coincide with yours. That opinion, in itself, is ignorant and intollerant. Things you baselessly accuse me of, yet continually display yourself.

History does not allow for only one interpretation of it.

Yes it does. The truth. There is only One Truth. Opinions are opinions, and we can all have different ones. Facts are facts though, and immuteable.

Peace be upon you.

Indeed, peace be upon you, I sincerely do not desire to continue this conversation with you.

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Right. But they were an important start, you'll agree. There's nothing wrong,

@ TeeJay: Saying he lacks the knowledge of what he is selling makes the lies ok?

Yes and no.

All I'm saying, is that if Tony does not know the information he is giving is out is incorrect, then, he is not 'lying', as there is no intention to mislead others (and no knowledge that he may be doing so). It's rather like libel/slander laws. Someone can only be charged with them if they personally know, that what they are saying/printing about another person is false. If they genuinely believe that what they are saying/printing is the truth, it is not libel/slander. That is the distinction I am trying to make here. As mentioned before, when I asked Tony to source me a PAM 112 (by name) he was confused and asked if I could show him a picture of what one looked like. Those are not the comments of someone who knows the details of what he's selling.

I agree, no, lies are not acceptable, but, if someone does not know that they are lying, and are simply passing on incorrect information, (ie they do not know the products and take the suppliers at their word)it is not fair to lump them in the same catagory as those who lie and do know that they are passing on incorrect information. If that makes any sense...

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Isn't it only the 'grade A+++' scam sites that state those type of things?

Scam sites do not send out merchandise, or, do not send out the merchandise pictured. Tony does send out the merchandise he advertizes. As mentioned previously, he may have taken some bad advice about his site, and is not a watch guru, but, that does not make him a scammer. He is friendly, professional and pleasant to do business with. He responds swiftly, and his aftersales service, ie on faults, is perfect. Maybe he is not the best source for people who don't know anything at all about watches, who don't know what tells to look for, or what questions to ask, but, he is certainly not a scammer. His feedback on CQout should be enough to prove that he is an honorable dealer, with many satisfied clients (in a sales market where dealers are removed if they accumulate negative feedback, unlike here, where negative feedback goes ignored and tollerated, by being viewed against 'the big picture'. CQout doesn't offer dealers 'the big picture', dealers either play by the rules, or they are gone. Tony's feedback there speaks for itself.)

Hi TeeJay hows it going? Been a while since we last talked properly I have shaved my head in the past and do so occasionally. At the moment I just use clippers on grade 0 but obviously that doesn't give a close cut as a razor. I've also had my head shaved with a straight blade too but I don't own one personally.

From what I have read and my own experience, the best way to prolong the life of your razors, is to immediately after you have finished, wipe the blade dry thoroughly. This prevents the water on the blade from 'oxidizing' (I think thats the correct word) and so prevents dulling of the blade. I think the contact of the water with the blade causes small rusting which can't be seen easily with the eyes which causes the blades to dull.

Most people who do this usually also dab the blades with rubbing alcohol (thats surgical spirit for us Brits ) and this also helps prevent dulling of the blade.

Indeed, it's been a while, amigo, all's well here, thanks I would've been happy to use clippers on the zero setting, but found that, when pulling on a T-Shirt, what stubble there was, held the shirt in place on my scalp like velcro I found the sensation of a pillow equally strange, so, from those instances, decided to take it right down to the scalp with a wet shave. Maybe I'll wind up like the guy in Predator who was shaving all the time I'm rather pleased that I didn't actually cut my head at all Not bad for a first try Thanks for the tip about drying the blades after use, I'll have to remember that A tip I picked up watching Goodmorning, Vietnam, was that using cold water, reduces razor burn What was the result like when you had your head shaved with a straight razor? I'm keen to try one, but don't want to cut myself to ribbons in the process

My hair is very thick, but I don't think it is any tougher on my Mach 5 than my beard, I use the same razor for both. I was a little skeptical about the vibrating feature but it actually makes a big difference in shaving time/comfort. I don't shave my head regularly, let it grow for a week or so in between, then trim it with an electric trimmer set at zero before shaving. The type of shave cream/gel used makes a huge difference--I have tried every drugstore brand and the best (for me anyway, everybody's skin is different) is the Aveeno unscented gel.

The Mach 5 blades last me several weeks each, I don't throw them out when the little strip wears off as it only takes one shave for that. I can tell pretty much immediately by feel when the blade starts to dull.

There is a whole world of high-end shaving product out there--some day I will try a straight razor and some expensive soap but I'm a little wary of the learning process.

Thanks for the suggestion, I was thinking about using my Mach 5, but, I knew the blade cartridge wasn't 100% fresh, and, from what friends who also shaved their heads had told me, using a blade which was in any way blunt on the head was asking for trouble, so I bought some packs of Gillette Blue IIs (I can still remember the advert jingle for them ) I used two razors to get the 'initial shave' taken care of, then used a third to give everything a 'quick once over' to touch up and catch any missed areas. Strangely, this is the first time that I've actually found being ambidextrous of benefit I guess my concern was that if a Mach 5 cartridge would only last one shave (if that) then they would be very expensive to replace every few days. If you've had good results though, I might give it a try

Fantastic, thanks for the links, guys

Either Tony is using a genuine pic. for the Superocean Heritage,

or there has been a dial update allready?

Look at the position of the "P" tail, in relation to the "A" in automatic.

Getting what we see and pay for ?

I`m getting sick of this !!

If you have a problem with the sale, try contacting Tony and discussing it with him. All you're going to get here, are people saying Tony is a scammer, and people saying he's a good guy to deal with. As has been mentioned before, Tony is not a watch expert (likely not even a watch enthusiast) he (certainly appears to) relies on what his suppliers tell him. In a western business, that is an unnacceptable lack of product knowledge. In Chinese business, it is the prevalent attitude. I do not condone any kind of scammers, but I honestly do not believe that Tony is willfully or knowingly scamming anyone. Wags like to say "Ignorance is no defense", well, in situations like this, maybe it should be. I've always found Tony helpfull and polite when dealing with enquiries, I really would suggest contacting him to discuss your concerns. You're likely to get a much more satisfactory (or at least accurate) answer than you will here, where people can only make suggestions. Best of luck with your enquiries

As folks may have gathered from my new signature, I have shaved my head, and now plan to keep it in such a condition. Electric clippers, while relatively cheap and efficient, do not give as close a cut as a wet razor, however, even disposeable wet razors, if used frequently, will not be cheap (especially if having to use 2-3 per shave)

Are there any other members who frequently shave their heads? If so, what kind of razor do you find gives a close shave, but has the durability to last at least one shave without needing to change razor/blade cartridge? Has anyone tried shaving their head with a straight razor? Is this even adviseable? (Personally, I would have my concerns, but mention it only as it is manually sharpened, thus more 'cost effective')

Any advice will be greatfully received

Prejudice (not in the bigoted meaning, mind you) is a survival trait. In animals, we call it instinct.

Someone walking towards you, looking menacing while waving a big stick is not going to get you thinking "Oh, he's trying to swat a fly while dealing with indigestion". If you react by running away, you have pre-judged him while not being in possession of the full facts. However, as you survive, you'll ... oh, I'd best stop here in case I offend any crackpot fundamentalists that don't believe in the evolution of species.

Yes, I have no qualms about calling fervent believers of Intelligent Design crackpots. That's an instinct I have. I can't change it, but it is as decent a survival trait as any other I have, so I don't mind it.

By that definition, then yes, everyone is 'prejudiced'. In common usage, the term is taken to simply have objection to people of other backgrounds, ie racism or, religious intollerance. Personally, I am not intollerant of different religions. I do not treat people differently for being of different ethnic or racial backgrounds to myself, other, than by acknowledging and respecting their own cultural values, and treating them in accordance with those values (which may be different from my own) and frankly, find it ludicrous and tasteless, that anyone might suggest or think that I am. My attitude, (religion not even applying, as until I converted to Islam, I was an athiest) has always been one of "when in Rome..."

I will admit to being prejudiced by peoples' religions. I defy anyone to try to convince me they aren't.

Oh, I mean prejudiced as in I prejudge them, not that I hate them or believe them inferior.

I don't prejudge people based on their religious beliefs, if you choose to believe that or not, that is up to you.

On another issue, I've tried using the internet functions on the Cect P168+, and have to report not having much success with searches via google. I was able to get RWG.CC up, but, the protocols would not allow me to log in. (similar problem with other pages) so I'll have to conclude that the P168+ is not well suited to heavy internet useage.

Sir - I will be direct. You are intolerant and disrespectful of people whose religious beliefs are different than yours.

I will be equally direct. I am neither intolerant nore disrespectful of people whose religious beliefs are different to mine, and have said nothing whatsoever in this topic, or any other, which would prove your accusations.

My knowledge of Christianity and Catholicism is significant having been educated from the primary grades through completion of high school in Catholic Private Schools where religious studies were compulsory from kindergarten through grade 12. In University I completed a four year B.A. Honors Degree with a double major in History and Religious Studies on comparative Religions.

Your qualifications are irrelevent and meaningless, given your refusal to accept the fact that Constantine and the council of Nicaea created what is now modern day Catholicism/Christianity, directly corrupting the message of Jesus. If you attained those qualifications without being aware of that simple fact, then you, sir, should be ashamed of yourself.

Irrespective of what you are trying to say now your earlier post speaks for itself and shows you as you are and not as you wish you were. You would serve your God well by showing respect and tolerance of the beliefs of others rather than insulting them. Peace be upon you.

I am not 'trying' to say anything, other than to clarify that I was stating historical facts, not speaking from personal prejudice. As mentioned previously, the Holy Qur'an states that there is no compulsion in religion, and that people are entitled to their own differing beliefs. As a Muslim, I follow that Sura to the letter. 'My' god, is also your god. It does not matter if He is being called Allah, God or Jehovah, He is the same deity. As mentioned previously, the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was not founding a new religion, he was restoring the original one.

I have no desire to keep repeating these facts, so shall make no further posts to this topic.

Peace be upon you.

I have nothing disrespectful to say about the Koran and what is in it. People can believe what ever they want to believe in my world. I respect the faiths of others and acknowledge that I do not have the final answers. My answers will be given to me when I leave this life. That Moslems do not believe in the divinity of Jesus is not disrespectful in and of itself. It is the way that this point is expressed that can be. Saying I do not believe in the divinity of Jesus is very different than saying "Christianity is a corruption of God's message" There are Christians who believe and claim that "the Koran is a book inspired by Satan and that Mohamed is one of the Anti-Christs of history along side the likes of Hitler". I do not believe this. How are Moslems to feel when they read something like this? I believe that the are justifiably hurt by such language but no more so than Christians who hear that their Religion is a "corruption of God's message". Neither of these are professions of faith - rather, they are mean spirited, intolerant and disrespectful slags against another's different faith. Believe what you wish to believe but hurt none in doing so. It is not a difficult thing to accomplish. Put a limiter between brain and tongue and accept that with free speech comes responsibility. Peace be upon you.

As I pointed out above, and gave reference explaining, modern day Catholicism/Christianity is a corruption of God's message (from Jesus). The corruption was created by Constantine and the council of Nicaea. I'm sorry if you find that offensive or inpalatable, but, as I said, those are historical facts. My apologies if you found my post unfriendly or intollerant, that was never my intention, I was simply posting facts, as they related to the discussion.

Peace be upon you.

But the Confessional, in the words of that most sublime fictional character, Sherlock Holmes, is the one aspect of the Roman Church that always struck him as very logical.

As you say, a fictional character

Humans feel a need to speak to SOMEONE of confidence about their troubles. Sigmund Freud later came up with the idea in which we Catholics had found release for millenia.

Ahh, Freud... I've heard that he created the concept of the Oedipus Complex to assuage his own feelings of guilt about his attraction to his step-mother. While some of his concepts are interesting, they are a little formulaic (and self-aimed) for my taste...

Yes, I once read that in a "Guide to Islam" online.

http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-10-1.htm

It is a very interesting thing to read one's religion through the eyes of another religion's beliefs. And by interesting, I would say completely insulting, and weighted towards their own precepts.

I quite agree, but, that is a surprisingly objective and accurate article

We Catholics do it to others too. You should hear what some say about Muhammed (PBUH).

Paedophile is one of the most common accusations about Muhammad, peace be upon him. Somewhat ironic, that the Catholic Church has had to pay out millions in restitutions to people who were abused as children by their priests...

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I rated his post unfriendly because of the above quote. ... how friendly is that statement and how should people who are Christians feel about it. It is a mean spirited statement and goes beyond a profession of faith. I would have also rated it as intolerant if I could have but there is no such rating. His post went beyond merely outlining his beliefs ... he disrespected the belief of others. This is not friendly and he deserves the unfriendly rating I gave him.

His post that shows a complete lack of understanding of the Catholic flavor of Christianity.

Oh dear. You clearly have no understanding whatsoever about the history of Catholicism, and have obviously paid little attention made by others (namely Pugwash) in the preceding pages. Catholicism/Christianity, as it exists today, was created by Constantine and the council of Nicaea. Those are not my opinions about the faith, they are historical facts, and nothing you say, feel or think, will ever change that.

In terms of tollerance, I 'tollerate' Christians as fellow 'people of the Book'. I follow the Sura in the Holy Qur'an which states there is no obligation in religion, and that people are entitled to follow their own differing beliefs. Do not question my tollerance again, especially when your own understanding of the topic is clearly not what it could be.

A little more acceptance and tolerance of one another would go a long way to making the world a better place.

Amen to that.

And you wonder why the world has a problem with Islam/Muslims.

Where did I say that? I'm all to aware of why there are ignorant bigots in the world who have a problem with Islam and Muslims: Namely, demonization, and blaming an entire group of people, for the actions of an extreme minority, the actions of whom are not even sanctioned by the Holy Qur'an.

I found one accurate statement you made here that hasn't been covered previously, and that is we Catholics do guilt.

And what? Are you denying the creation of modern Catholicism by Constantine and the council of Nicaea? I might not have been the first person to mention it, but, it is a well-enough known occurence that anyone with a history of religious studies should be aware of it.

Well, I suppose we do, but then we grow up. And, you? Tim

I think the fact that you're the one casting aspersions about maturity, answers that question itself.

What Ebay is slowly doing is making it nearly impossible for a seller to have any protection. A seller can agree to accept common rocks in exchange for the item being auctioned. But Ebay will not give any protection to either party if something goes wrong. I have had to stop offering Will Call pickup because in December I had an Ebay customer pick up 12 electric guitars. She paid in half cash and half from her paypal account. I have a signed receipt AND video of her picking the guitars up.

She then went home and filed a claim with paypal stating we didnt ship the guitars to her. Of course we did not have a tracking number showing shipment to her address, and Paypal gave her the money back.

Damn, that's a cold move for someone to pull on a business. One thing's for sure, I bet she'll get some heavy comeuppance in the future for it though.

If this is how eBay carries on, I think before long, no one will want to deal with them (buyers or sellers)

Let me just say that this belief is the crucial difference between Christianity and Islam.

Another, is that Christianity is a corruption of God's message (thanks to Constantine) where the Qur'an, is not. Something people often do not realise, is that Muhammad, peace be upon him, was not founding a new religion, but restoring the original one. Of course, that has itself been corrupted over the years itself, which is why I am a Qur'an Only Muslim. I follow the word of God, not the mixed up version, which incorporates the practices and opinions of Muhammad, peace be upon him, as religiously required.

I SUBMIT to no one, not even to God. I ACCEPT God, and His son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

That could be why Catholics feel guilt and the need to confess their sins... It's not for a priest to voyeuristically take people's confessions and offer absolution for them, forgiveness comes from God alone.

Jesus was not the 'son of God', he was simply a prophet who God chose to create in a certain way. His divinity was added, as Pugwash pointed out, by Constantine, at the same time that many other aspects of his life (which would challenge that opinion) were deliberately removed to be forgotten.

eBay is just a facilitator for trade... Is it not up to the buyer and seller to decide for themselves how they want to make payment to each other?

For me, it would have to be a Rottweiler. Absolutely fantastic guarddogs, especially with children. With friends and family, they're soft as butter. With intruders, they're hard as nails

(See the 300++ reviews and you will know I dont scam!).

Yes you do. There was proof last year that you sold Bell & Ross watches with ASIAN movements, which you were advertising and selling as having SWISS movements. That, is a scam. Telling people they buy a Swiss movement, and selling them an Asian movement, is a scam. Selling people watches which are supposed to have been serviced and waterproofed, but are unserviced, and leak under water, is also a scam. I don't care how many positive reviews you have, the facts remain that you have scammed people in the past, and from this thread, it is clear you are still doing so. You are a scammer, and do not deserve to be considered a trusted dealer by these people, who admire you. Good service to some does not justify scamming others.

What phone do you have, Tee? I have the RIM Curve and use the mp3 player for an hour everyday and it still last 3 to 4 days!

A Cect P168+ I get about the same battery life out of mine, if not slightly better. However, if I don't listen to the MP3s at all, then the charge lasts a lot longer That said, when MP3s from a seperate MP3 player drown out phonecalls, then that's more a hinderance than a help. Fortunately, now my new headphone adaptor has arrived (allows me to use any headphones with the phone) I don't have to worry about missing calls while listening to my tunes

I guess all I was trying to illustrate, is that a multi-tool like the Nokia Morph (if it existed) would likely be more a hinderance than a help, as it would only be possible to do certain things at a time, which would rather defeat the object of it being multi-purpose, in that people would still require other 'tools' so they could do all those things together (if needbe)

But he can't intercede for them. That's not how it works, surely.

I just suppose I don't have enough faith to see past what I perceive as contradictions.

He could, if it is His will to do so

A lot of people say "If God exists, why does he let XYZ happen??"

For the simple reason, that that is God's will. Everything that happens, good and bad, happens because it is God's will. Sometimes, bad things happen, because a good thing will come from it.

Example. Three serial killers sent down in one week. Very bad (and tragic) that their victims were killed. Very good, that they are going to spend the rest of their lives rotting in jail (assuming the other cons don't murder them) Not only do they get to suffer that turmoil, they'll then have to answer to God for their crimes.

We might not always understand God's plan, but that is not the point. The point, is in submitting to God's will, and trusting ourselves to Him.

I guess missing this thread is the price I pay for watching Torchwood

I LOVE the indian!

And of course, the construction worker. Everyone else looks gay.

I remember hearing that only the indian was actually gay. Not too sure how accurate that is though...

I'm no bodybuilder, so no guns here... (same goes for firearms, as I'm British )

I wanted to see firearms, damnit

Looks asian to me even in his photos. Ziggy has given the thumbs up on the asian movement and many others are saying they are good as well. No 100% swiss movement has these bridges outside of Panerai. Even if the movement started Swiss it would now be full of asian parts.

I've never had a problem with an Asian movement which was not caused by either an accident, or my own amateurish attempts at regulation. The Asian movements I have (which I have left well alone ) have worked flawlessly. In terms of value, I don't think it is worth paying double price, just for a Swiss Movement, when an Asian one will do the same job just as well.

However.

Knowingly selling an Asian movement as a Swiss one is not a cool move, and one Andrew has been brought to task over before. He knows what he's selling, he knows what he's doing. Isn't it about time the forum admin stepped up and gave this clown the boot? If a member were to pull stunts like this, they would be immediately barred, and other forum admins warned about them. Just because Andrew pays to be a dealer here, that does not give him the right to keep ripping people off like this. Enough's enough...

Are you referring to this one?

http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=67415&hl=

It got moved to his own sales forum, because he's a dealer selling watches/mods.

Other than that... I have no idea, but I'll look into it. If these threads were deleted/made invisible there must have been a good reason.

But I can assure you: We never put dealer interests over our members' interest. Nothing has been deleted to "hide the truth" from the members. Why on earth we'd do something like that?

What happened to the thread entitled "The Time Has Come To Say Something"?

When it was part of my signature, the thread mysteriously vanished.