TeeJay

I "fixed" the diver's extension by widening the area between the split bars, a fix I read about on RWG. I then gently adjusted the retaining bars on the clasp to catch the protruding bar do-hickeey. That makes perfect sense, right?

Anywho, the bracelet works, much better than when I bought it 2nd hand from a very nice member. I just find that compared to my rep sub, seiko's, Wenger GST, it's not that comfortable, but I love the watch itself.

My question is really more about the Watchadoo, maybe I should have asked about peoples experience with the Watchadoo. Maybe that's What-i-should-do

That makes sense. I just know that the diver's extension can be a bit fiddly, and often, what someone thinks is the clasp not closing properly, is actually them trying to force the clasp closed over an incorrectly closed diver's extension... I'm afraid I don't know anything about Watchadoo, but I'm sure someone else here will. Best of luck

I'd certainly agree with the points made above, that we probably know more about the 'tells' than a collector of genuine watches, as in those cases, they simply accept the details as presented, rather than mentally comparing it to known reps or gens. My father in law knew that my Sub was a rep, because I told him (he sells watches, straps etc) but I have never told him that my Omegas are reps, nor was he told that the J12 I bought my fiance was a rep. A few weeks back, at lunch, when he was passing, he turned her wrist to 'check the time', but he certainly gave the watch a close look. He should have realized it was a rep, as the bracelet links are solid moulded, not seperate, and some of the paint had chipped, but only in places that, at a quick glance, could be mistaken for light-reflection. Either way, he never made a comment about it, so I'm guessing he doesn't know as much about high end watches as he likes to think he does

At the risk of asking an obvious question, is the diver's extension being properly closed before you close the main portion of the clasp? If the extension isn't properly closed, the main portion is hard to close and likely to spring open again.

Great article

A watch I shouldn't like but do...

My 2531.80 project watch.

If there is another group buy in a month or so, I would likely be interested, but I am waiting till I get a 45mm PO before ordering one of the straps, and that might be a month or so

Hey - I guess I win. The first RWG watch (OK, strap) poll that actually delivered the desired product :D

If Pugs can get free watches then why can't I get a free strap?!?!

Oh, and Del Deaton is a complete plank. I have had some direct dealings with him and he's annoying in the extreme - he doesn't know subtlety and is an utter embarrassment.

You're absolutely spot on there. On another forum, in any post he made that discussed watches (which was most of them), any time he actually mentioned a watch by name, that name would be a hot-link to a picture of his own watch rather than a generic Google Image, which personally, I found extremely irritating and boastfull. Also, any time he wrote his name, that would also be a hot-link to his business websites. I don't think I could sum him up any better than you already have, other than to add he's an arrogant self-promoter.

As per usual, I'm wearing my 2531.80 project watch I'd definitely like to add a vintage Seamaster 300 to my collection at some point

$228??!! That is SERIOUSLY taking the [censored]. The innacuracies about that watch make it little better than the POS project watch I'm wearing (Okay, it has a blue dial, blue bezel, and a 3 marker.) Still wouldn't pay more than $60 for it...

personally i find the history and custom of menswear and formal wear interesting. i am extremely casual everyday at work, but i do own three (vintage) dinner jackets and formal trousers and the appropriate accessories; black patent leather pumps and a pair of black sharkskin seamless bal oxfords, wing and turned down collar shirts, bow ties (that tie, anything else is an abomination), suspenders, cummerbund and a terrific set of 19th century 18k rose gold and black onyx cuff links and studs.

prior to 1860 or so mens formal wear was black tie and tails or for more formal occasions white tie and tails. with boiled stiff fronted shirts and heavily constructed tight fitting tail coats. then henry poole of saville row made a short much less constructed and comfortable jacket (similar to a smoking jacket) for the prince of wales. who evidently could get away with it an american (mr james potter of new york) visited the prince in 1886 and was so impressed he had mr. poole run him up one and caused quite the scandal when he wore this 'casual' jacket to an event at the tuxedo club in new york. hence the name in the us.

until the last few decades when hollywood types corrupted it, the tuxedo was a very simple look. a single breasted jacket with a shawl or peak lapel (notched lapels are for suit coats) and NO vents. vents are appropriate for hacking or hunting jackets to be worn seated on a horse, not a dinner jacket. a white turned down collar shirt with a pleated placket, and french cuffs, worn with decorative studs. black cummerbund (pleats UP with a small pocket to hold your theater or opera tickets), black bow tie, suspenders (black, white or something like silver to be flashy). black pleated trousers with a satin stripe (a military touch), NEVER cuffed. country trousers are cuffed because of the mud. black silk stocking and black patent leather pumps/slippers (usually with a grosgrain bow) or black seamless oxfords. that was it. the only acceptable jewelry besides studs and cuff links was a wedding band and a school or military academy ring. no watch.

if you look films from the 20's, 30's and 40's and even into the 50's you see these rules followed. the secret to dressing well was all in the details. fred astaire being a perfect example. he knew the rules and followed them, but always bent them a tiny bit. he could and still look great because he knew them

the only people who call it a 'tux' are those who rent them, and they invariably look like it too

Again, absolutely my point, thankyou

Just watch movies. There must be analysts that dress dudes in the movies. James Bond always looks cool. Look at the guys in chick flick movies. The guys are dressed to please. I don't think there is a right or wrong as long as you get admiration for your selection. It's kinda like asking what type of tie you should wear to a formal event. Solid or striped.

Indeed, but who is to say that these 'wardrobe experts' are actually correct with what they put together, or are simply putting together what they think looks good on camera rather than actually following established codes and conventions. As for Bond, I'll get to him in a minute...

The original poster didn't ask about what individual people feel comfortable about doing, he asked if people knew what established conventions were, which is a completely different question. Your response is like saying "f&ck the law, the man sucks, Nobody can tell me what to do!" in response to a question about customs regulations in X country. Okay you're cool, but what did that really have to do with the original question?

People think Picasso was a crazy avant-garde painter, but a lot of them don't know that he was classically trained, won the French grand prix and studied in Italy. It was after he mastered the fundamentals that he developed his own style. You don't have follow the rules, but you're always better off knowing what they are, and I appreciate this attempt to collect interesting information.

That was my point precicely, thank you.

Hey, if James Bond can pull off wearing a 45mm PO with a tux, why can't I?

Because Bond is not someone who enjoys dressing formally (as Vesper pointed out in Casino Royale) He is not a truly suave person, but really a 'thug in a tux'. Wearing a diver's watch with formal wear is probably his way of putting two fingers up to the 'establishment'.

Also, Bond never actually wore the 45mm PO with the dinner jacket.. Even on the train to Montenegro, he was wearing the SMP...

That original thread sparked A TON of debate; some interesting, some just plain stupid. Afterwards, I was blown away by the number of members who PMd me expressing their interest in a guide on watches, etiquette, and the psychology of dress. I was hesitant, as people tend to respond badly to being 'told' what they should and should not wear in specific events, but I think as long as I make clear that no one's telling anyone what they can and can't do (it's just etiquette; just a suggestion), I think we can keep it positive.

Here's the thing about etiquette and class: you don't have to have or project either if you don't want to. You wanna wear a green Mohawk to work, and sit in a board meeting with a chain running from your lip to your nose, you go right ahead. But you are absolutely deluded if you think that either won't have any impact on the impression others have of you. Of course, if this describes you, you probably don't care.

I'll be putting this guide together as a photo-tutorial of sorts in May. I'll use my own collection as examples; I've got some fairly unique reps, and all are custom-strapped by Aaron, so should be interesting on that level alone. If you feel strongly that there is no such thing as etiquette, no such thing as the psychology of dress, and no connection between either and the kind of watch you choose to wear, I'd suggest you simply not waste your time reading the guide. There's plenty of great threads here that will likely interest you more; this will be for those who do have an interest in the above.

And that should be fine, no? Afterall, you don't see those who hate Pannies posting "Pannies Suck" responses in the Panerai forum - they just spend their time elsewhere.

That's fantastic, I'll look forward to the guide when it is completed As you say, the people who feel it does not apply to them would not care either way, but for some reason feel everyone else should feel the same as them... Personally, I wear what I want, but, I understand that in certain situations, it is necessary to allow codes and conventions to supercede personal tastes, and I for one, would be very interested to find out what those codes and conventions are

I am a GUEST at another person's wedding I will dress as they desire and not break the mold. The attention should be on them, not me. Certain things come with being a guest, it is a matter of respect, among others.

Absolutely. Like I just said to Ethan, there are times when codes and conventions, and good manners and respect for a host mean following those codes and conventions rather than personal choices

It depends a lot where you live and who you mix with... open your eyes!

Where I am you still wouldn't dare wear a sports watch to work. That'll change.

My dad thought that only poor people wore steel watches.

My grandad considered wedding rings to be jewellery and therefore only for women.

Not so easy to do when you are going to be mixing with a different group of people (say at a wedding or some kind of function), as it'd then be too late. Better to know first and make the right selection rather than make a mistake and look like an 'out of place' bumpkin

I don't think it is ever bad ettiquette to wear a small, dressy watch. A watch and cufflinks are about the only jewelry a man can wear. It doesn't imply anything except you want to be there on time so you wear a watch to know when to show up.

Sports watch (with ss bracelets) are for sports - not business. That said, I think a cartier tank would be fine for work since it is a little on the dressy / small side.

Keep it small with a suit so it fits under the sleeve and jacket. Try to keep the leather matching, although I would see more trouble with a brown band than a black one.

Don't wear a leather or alligator band to a PETA fundraiser.

Personally, I agree with you, but Ethan was very clear that in some instances, although people nowadays might well accept (and expect) people to wear a watch, the traditional ettiquete was to not wear one. It was those kind of rules that I'd be interested in reading up on. Also, I quite agree, brown straps can be very hard to match.

Would you wear a big bulky watch to a black tie affair? Start from there and work backwards and you'll have your answer.

If only it were that simple... Ethan said at the time, that it was considered bad ettiquete to even wear a watch at any kind of formal gathering. (As it suggests that the guest has more important places to be, or that time is more important than the gathering) It was also suggested that it was considered bad form to wear an SS bracelet in a business environment, and that leather straps should be worn instead.

Personally, I've always tried to match the strap of my watch (if leather) to my shoes and belt, but if there are any other 'hard and fast' rules of watch ettiquete, I for one, would love to hear them, as I'm sure would the others who commented on the original thread

@teejay, you are on quite the crusade. quit crapping in richard_uk's thread.

You're absolutely right. If people want to do business with the Cartel and run the risk of getting ripped off, why should I care or try and stop them. My apologies Richard, best of luck with your alternate supplier

Hi Richard,

How many units sir ? I also need the name list. There are people I do not want to sell to...

Obviously Joshua has enough clients that he can pick and choose who he does business with. Nice attitude.

hi Richard,

It is pretty unlikely that the price will drop as this is a controlled item..

Controlled by who? The Cartel? Is it starting to sink in yet?

Honestly ,I am not keen to do a group buy for this watch .. Forum members are very CSI prone... They like to smashed up watches..

Thanks

joshua

Translation:

Members would take the back off the watch and see that the movement (or other details) would not be as advertised.

C'mon folks, show a little dignity and backbone and stop begging to do busines with these people.

Damn, you guys turn 180 fast... less than 2 weeks ago you were all lobbying for a ban for Josh and Andrew....

Amen. What is the matter with you people? Do you like getting ripped off? Did nothing that Edge, Sony, myself and others say mean anything? Did the lies that Andrew and Angus told you in that thread not stand out enough to sink in?

A while back Ethan made comments about what watches were best suited to certain situations, and I remember a few other members expressed an interest in a 'guide' of the "do's" and "don'ts" of watch wearing. Is there any possibility of such a guide being written?

That's not the SMP Quartz dial, the 3 marker is too small and rectangular. That is the correct size marker for the Automatic SMP. However. The Omega Logo should be metal, not printed ink, the word Omega should also be metal, not printed ink, and most importantly, the letters in Omega should be connected to each other. Bearing all that in mind, I actually prefer that detail rather than the gen, but I still don't like the red lettering, and the bracelet is utter [censored] with moulded single links. Oh, the scallops on the bezel are also not long enough, the 'peaks' are too long, and the wave pattern on the dial is totally wrong. What a POS, I wouldn't pay $60 for it. Interesting how the asking price is omitted

Actually Deaton's pics were only one of many refs (inc. first hand comparisons ) but I always thought posting details like this revealed a certain naivety/low intelligence/nerd-like behaviour. Figures then that you say he's a [censored]. Do tell, we're all ears....

As for being "an arrogant and over-opinionated human being", well I'm afraid to say he's not alone amongst the wider WIS community, just hang out at any of the gen boards and you'll see them in droves

Not that many in this community (or on gen boards) make up catagories to grade watches and then refer to such grading in conversation as if they are Industry Standard terms

Hey Zed, good to see you here, amigo

I PM'ed silix in regards to the special edition PO with rubber strap and he said that his contact was working on it.

He asked me if I had any decent links about the watch with pictures, serial numbers etc....

I sent him these links:

http://www.delldeaton.com/Bond-21-blog.htm

http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg...28273&rid=0

http://www.watchnet.com/forums/tradingpst/...mes;read=291756

http://www.uhrenhandel.de/store/product_in...roducts_id=3544

So I have a feeling we will see this watch soon. If you want to help out contact silix and send him some detailed photos.

Cheers

For using Dell Deaton's pictures of his beloved watches as reference material for rep manufactures

I don't think I have ever had to misfortune to encounter such an arrogant and over-opinionated human being before in my life.

Which do I prefer.... Tough question.... To be honest, I don't think I prefer one over the other, each is an equally nice watch. My criteria would be more to do with circumstances of wear rather than preference, and that would dictate which I wore in various circumstances.

Planet Ocean 42mm on rubber, I would catagorise as a more 'rugged' watch for activities where function is more important than appearance.

Planet Ocean 42mm on SS. Good 'all round' watch. Good for casual or smart wear.

Blue Wave SMP. Equally good 'all round' watch, but, the detail of the bracelet and dial, to my way of thinking, are more 'decorative', so that would put the watch more into the smart/formal wear catagory as a 'dress watch' (although it obviously can be worn casually) simply because it is a more decorative design.

so, i took the car in for an oil change and while i was screwing around waiting i headed into a local jewelry store that carries rolex cartier i was wearing my BCE. anyway i was dressed like a total scrub, from the gym basketball shorts, tshirt, baseball hat - ipod headset. I was sporting the maui jim's though

anyway, i walk around just to check things out - the lady takes one quick glance at the watch - Hi, can i get you something to try on? Would you like a beverage, some coke, or coffee?

I tried on a 2 tone sub - they are heavier than i thought

anyway made me chuckle. I be if anyone else was in the store they would have said - HUH? oh,

just a quick fun story. Its nice to be treated nice, even when you dress like a bumb - or as i like to consider it - comfortably

My fiance and I got that kind of treatment when we were in an AD a few weeks ago. Admitedly, we were dressed quite well rather than 'slob out casual', but the Daytona and J12 certainly upped our status a bit Funny thing (well, not funny really) was the assistant had to ask for another assistant to point out the Limeted Edition Planet Ocean to her